City P & Z turns down Catholic church's plan for expansion

Wednesday, January 6, 2010

On a 3-2 vote, the city's planning and zoning commission recommended disapproving a proposal by the local Catholic community to build a new ministry building next to its existing church downtown.

The proposal included remodeling the existing church at the corner of East Jackson and North 4th East streets and building an adjacent facility to give the church needed space for a fellowship area, administration offices and classrooms, along with more parking.

The goal outlined in the conditional use permit was to replace several existing buildings around town, including Good Counsel Hall, located a mile from the church.

During its December meeting, the planning and zoning board members aired concerns regarding the lack of available parking associated with the project. According to city ordinances, the church needs approximately four times the needed parking spaces than the proposed plan envisions.

Stating its case at last month's meeting, the architect heading the project highlighted the number of vacant parking spaces within a one- and nine-block radius around the church. According to surveys conducted last year, Dave Davies said the church has a "plethora" of on-street parking with 50 percent of these spaces remaining vacant at any given time. Even during its busiest service on Sunday mornings, the church only uses 65 percent of available on-street within a one-block radius around the church, he added.

However, planning and zoning chairman Dennis Belt emphasized his concerns regarding the lack of parking outlined in the plan, saying the additional 31 maximum spaces proposed don't meet what's required by law.

P&Z member Levy Belton made a motion to approve the church's conditional use permit. Using the on-street parking vacancy rates outlined at the December meeting, he said the plan would not cause additional hardships on the downtown area.

"The church can't grow any more land," added P&Z member Clarence Joseph, highlighting the fact the church lacks the money needed to build a new church and fellowship hall elsewhere.

Originally, the Catholic community proposed moving the parish to a section of land on South 18th Street, according to Michael Brown, communications director with the Boise-based diocese, which oversees the Mountain Home church.

"However, the costs to build outside of the local area were too prohibitive," Brown said. "It was higher than the church was able to pay."

A fund drive last winter also fell short, prompting the church's building committee to move forward with the downtown construction plan.

In anticipation of the project, nearly a dozen local businesses next to the church were required to move from their former locations by Dec. 1. The moves were necessary since the construction project included demolishing those buildings to make way for the ministry building. Affected businesses included a salon, hair stylist, boutique, locksmith and the Western Elmore County Recreation District.

Following Monday's recommendation vote, the disapproved conditional use permit goes before the Mountain Home City Council. At the earliest, the council could address the issue at its Jan. 11 meeting.

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  • Why were the businesses moved prematurely, causing burden to these folks? This should have been approved before they forced then to move. Now they are forced with higher rents at there new location and contracts they most likely cant get out of. The city needs to think before acting and should appologize to the businesses that were forced to move!

    -- Posted by lowrider69 on Wed, Jan 6, 2010, at 11:29 PM
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    Sounds like church officials and the landlord put the cart way before the horse on this one. The city does not need to apologize to the businesses that were forced to move. If anyone should be apologizing it should be the church and the landlord that did this BEFORE they had approval for construction.

    -- Posted by B Mullen on Thu, Jan 7, 2010, at 9:08 AM
  • The WECRD was forced to move which was a burden to YOU---as taxpayers. Higher rent, costs to move the computers, server(s), phones, etc. OG, you hit the nail on the head. Perhaps they should have waited for the city to "rule" before they made people move. Rules are in place for a reason. I am unable to understand why some think they are above rules and regulations just because of who/what they are. I am pretty sure we have these rules for a reason. People who have a business downtown sometimes have no parking for one reason or another. Add into the mix something like a church---and a busy church---that wants to expand and that causes problems for the other business owners. Try to see both sides. The few businesses we do have who offer local products need to be protected as well. Will you shop in a place where you can seldom find parking? The correct, honest response is no. Who wants to pay rent (and high rent at that) to have that problem?

    -- Posted by OpinionMissy on Thu, Jan 7, 2010, at 12:40 PM
  • I don't understand how this will create a bigger parking problem. There will be more parking than there is at this time. It should actually ease the parking for the surrounding business owners. It has been pointed out that the fellowship hall will increase the traffic, which does not make sense to me. If there is a dinner there after a funeral, the same people attending the dinner will already have parked some place to go to the funeral. The same goes for a wedding reception. As the situation is now people park around the church on the street for the service and then get in their cars and drive to Good Council Hall.

    As far as the current renters being asked to move. Why should anybody have to apologize. The owners of the property have the right to do as they please with their property, within the law. Regardless if the current plan is approved something will be done with they empty buildings.

    -- Posted by Amused MtnHomey on Thu, Jan 7, 2010, at 7:44 PM
  • This is another attempt by the Mountain Home establishment to limited anyone or anything that is not either from this community or shares the same religious affliation. The Catholic community has been part of this community for a very, very long time and for a select few in power in this community to walk over and disgard any one who subscribe to a "certain" religious belief is DISGRACEFULL! I hope and pray that the all the members of the Mountain Home Catholic community take a stand, and voice their concern at the next city council meeting. The fate of the Catholic parish depends on it. I for one, will be there and voice my deepest concerns. What a community we live in...god help us all!

    -- Posted by DUMBFOUNDED IN IDAHO on Fri, Jan 8, 2010, at 3:00 PM
  • I'm not a cathlic or even attend church, but I have been in that part of town on a sunday morning. The church goers use alot of street parking down there. If they plan to build even one new paking space then let the building begin.

    -- Posted by Savage2506 on Sat, Jan 9, 2010, at 11:48 AM
  • Opinion Missy, Did you use any of the services that the companies that had to move had to offer? Did you go to the hair salon or visit the WECRD everyday? I know when I drive by those places there was always parking available on the street right in front of the business itself. As for not have parking spaces church services are on Saturday evening and Sunday Morning when all of those business surrounding the church are likely to be closed including the school and the courthouse. So your question for not finding parking when visiting these businesses is not a valid question.

    -- Posted by thisismtnhome on Sun, Jan 10, 2010, at 8:29 AM
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    As I sit here trying to understand some of the logic of others a thought comes to mind. When Wal-Mart was built they did not need to big such a large parking lot. Those that wanted to shop there could have just parked at the old K-Mart across the street since there was plenty of parking there. Oh and the mini-malls that went in near Wal-Mart did not to build any parking since there was Wal-Mart that partons could park at. See how others can use this logic if the MHCC overrides the wonderful P&Z decision?

    -- Posted by B Mullen on Sun, Jan 10, 2010, at 5:48 PM
  • thisismh:

    Yes, I did use the services of those establishments and I was a regular at the WECRD office (guess you missed that part). There were times where I had to park near Paul's Market when I was going to the WECRD office.

    Dumb, was that the best you could do. It has not a thing to do with being Catholic or not---IT IS THE RULES/REGULATIONS put in place to protect homeowners, renters, business owners, etc. Put your religion card down please.

    -- Posted by OpinionMissy on Mon, Jan 11, 2010, at 5:07 PM
  • I also have used those services on a regular basis. The vacuum shop, the beauty shop, the little clothing shop and the school district offices when they were there. I have visited those business for the last 15 years and have never had to park more than several car lengths away.

    -- Posted by Amused MtnHomey on Mon, Jan 11, 2010, at 5:17 PM
  • Yesterday the city council took up this issue. The parish had a very large turn-out to hear a very in-depth, and extremely informative presentation by the builders and the parish. The church also had a comprehensive parking survey completed which clearly showed that parking has never been nor will it be ever a problem with the new project...Most of the councilmembers seemed to be very impressed...one even commented by saying "You have addressed all my concerns".. The only councilmember not impressed was Issac, who continued to be very much "in the face" of the parish and kept saying over and over that parking and business will be affected...even though NO businesses have filed any complaints or negative comments towards the project. Councilwoman Issac also recommended to church officials to "trim down" church functions and services...are you kidding me! The last words out of Councilwoman Issac's mouth to the parish was "You gotta give us more" What more does the parish need to give? If this is not crossing the line of church and state..I don't know what is! My Catholic brothers and sisters...you all need to open your eyes and take a stand! I stongly encourge all to send Councilwoman Issac a strong message that this kind of stong arm tactics can not and will not be toilerated by our elected officials...Oh that's right, she is an elected official who ran "unopposed" this last election. Maybe it's time for a change in city council. Going after a religious organization be it Catholic, Babtist, LDS etc is just WRONG! It is NOW that your voices about this in-justice be heard!

    -- Posted by DUMBFOUNDED IN IDAHO on Tue, Jan 12, 2010, at 3:03 PM
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    Sure parking won't be much of a problem since so many businesses had to move. I hope the MH News runs an aricle the first time there is a church event going on the same time as a large court case in conjunction with an event at Hacker. Oh and let's throw into the mix a sale at Paul's Market. Then let everyone try to find parking downtown. I wish you luck.

    -- Posted by B Mullen on Wed, Jan 13, 2010, at 9:47 PM
  • Here's an idea that no one has probably thought about. Since the old King's building is condemned, why doesn't the city of Mountain Home buy the property and built a parking garage on that corner? It is centrally located within the downtown area. Parking problem (if any) solved. City Council members are you listening?

    -- Posted by GFYS69 on Sun, Jan 17, 2010, at 5:37 AM
  • Hey Old Guy...news flash, the church has only been there at that same location since 1953..let's see,if my math is correct, that is over "half a century". During that "half century" there has never been a problem with parking. But of course you could be right, if downtown suddently erupted into a business mecca..then there could be a slight problem...somehow I don't see that happening.

    If the city is so concern about parking in a "dying" downtown district, then they should purchase that continuing eye sore called King's and turn that into a parking lot...wow what a concept...but wait, that means that the city would have to spend MONEY or better yet, they could place King's as a "historic site". Keep the building in-place to enhance the cosmetic beauty of downtown.

    The bottom line is simple...while our LDS brothers and sisters build a temple of all temples, adjacent to a residential area which will cause massive conjestion in and around that area, the Catholic parish is "restricted" maybe even prohibted to build ANYTHING on a piece of property of which they have owned for over half a century. If anything, this proposed complex would enhance the beautifcation of a already very "ugly" and rundown downtown. I wonder if the city council/P&Z voice the same concerns with the LDS project...umh..something tells me NO!

    As far as councilwoman Issac is concerned, I'd like to know her religious affliation. Something smells rotten in good old Mountain Home.

    -- Posted by DUMBFOUNDED IN IDAHO on Mon, Jan 18, 2010, at 3:37 AM
  • OpinionMissy, leave it to a church to destroy all those "thriving" business downtown. Are you kidding me? Who's above the regulations? First of all the current rules are flawed and outdated. The city council during their last meeting acknowledge that same fact. God forbid the Catholic church expand it's complex in Mountain Home...what would be next, the parish trying to convert all of Mountain Home to the Catholic faith.

    Have you seen the latest church project behind McDonald's by our LDS brothers and sisters..it rivals the one in Salt Lake City. News flash, most of the residents near that project didn't even know about it...let alone voice their concerns. What about parking for that project? You have business and a school and also a nursing home located in that area... but the city council and the P&Z showed no concern or objections.

    We just want FAIR and EQUAL treatment by the P&Z and our elected officials. Have you seen the proposed project? The parish is wants to build a "beautiful" facility that would not only enhance the operational function of the parish, but to enhance the beauty of the downtown area.

    It's a win-win for all involved.

    I encourage you to take a look at what the parish is proposing, then hopefully you will see the positives instead of the negatives. Remember change is not always a bad thing.

    -- Posted by DUMBFOUNDED IN IDAHO on Mon, Jan 18, 2010, at 4:03 AM
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