Guns Myths & Facts

Very good, MsMarylin.

CoolBreeze, let me acquaint you to a web site entitled "Bogus Quotes Attributed to the Founders".

The web site has plenty of citations to back up its fact checking.

I'm curious. Does your nose grow longer every time that you post something that is false?

http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndbog.html

And here is another link. It seems that the quote just started showing up in 2008 when it was first misattributed to Jefferson.

http://blogs.umb.edu/quoteunquote/2012/05/01/jeffersons-second-amendment-quote-d...

Sam_1776; you can't educate it so that must mean you can't fix it. We equate trying educating some Independents and Republicans to plugging a screen door with ear wax and a hammer.

Thomas Jefferson was in favor of the 2nd amendment. He was a very talented musician and writer. He was a slave owner and had several children by his slave, a half sister of his wife, as I recall. Not everything that he said or did was correct or moral.

And he lived over 200 years ago in a country where people weren't going into movie theatres and schools with guns and killing people, including innocent children. What would Thomas Jefferson say if he was alive today? I think that he would say that crazy people shouldn't be allowed to have guns.

He might also say, "CoolBreeze, except for that mistress thing, I generally told the truth. If you respect me so much why are you lying so much?"

sara-connor I don't hope to educate CoolBreeze, but I do want to nullify his false claims so that he doesn't fool others.

Earliest recorded school shooting was in 1764. Well over 200 years ago. http://www.greencastlemuseum.org/Local_History/enoch.htm

Your link isn't a school shooting. It was an Indian attack shortly after the French and Indian war. The people were scalped, not shot. It was an act of war in an area where both sides were still doing a lot of killing of each other.

In those days the pioneers needed a gun to protect themselves from Indian attacks. The Indians probably wished that they had more and better weaponry. I don't think that's the situation now.

Too bad, but you will be back Buckshot/Hope4America/Free Thinker/CoolBreeze, but for awhile maybe we can return the blog to respectful debate.

CoolBreeze It might be better for you if you stick to the conservative right-wing blogs. There you can agree on everything written. Here's my old farewell song I give to all departing bloggers, Enjoy its for you!

http://youtu.be/hgw_yprN_-w

CoolBreeze, it doesn't pay to wrestle in the mud with pigs as you both get dirty and the pig loves it.

Everyone can have an option; some just choose a land full of unicorns and glitter than reality. Some think they government is there to protect and take care of them. This usually ends up bad for those people as it leads to tyranny and oppression. These people think the US Constitution is there to give rights to the people when in is actually there to restrain the goverment from getting to much control. This is why liberals hate it.

An accurate description of the purpose of the United States Constitution can be found in the Senate's web site. It also has a brief, general explanation for various things such as the amendments. It does not delve deeply into every amendment.

Trouble2011, your view is a cynical variation of what the constitution was intended to do. Speaking as a liberal I like the constitution but of course I like it for what it is really intended to do. See below.

"For over two centuries the Constitution has remained in force because its framers successfully separated and balanced governmental powers to safeguard the interests of majority rule and minority rights, of liberty and equality, and of the central and state governments. More a concise statement of national principles than a detailed plan of governmental operation, the Constitution has evolved to meet the changing needs of a modern society profoundly different from the eighteenth-century world in which its creators lived."

http://www.senate.gov/civics/constitution_item/constitution.htm

This would be like say the executive branch getting part of the legislative branch (i.e. the senate) to change the rules as to force the will of the majority onto the minority. Let's pretend by doing this the majority could stack the third part of the "separated" powers of government with people that will see things there way.

This has been done throughout history. Rome, Germany, Russia, and any state that started out free and then ended up with the majority controlling and in the end killing the minorities.

Good thing nothing like this will happen here....(note the sarcasm)

The Senate and House of Representatives have operated on a majority rule basis for hundreds of years. The founding fathers (the majority of them apparently) felt that a 2/3 majority on most votes would seriously stop progress, kind of like what's been happening with the filibusters.

Now it seems we are going back to majority rule. That's good. There are checks and balances to protect the few against the many, however most of the time the minority, also sometimes called the Tea Party, just has to live with that or start getting more votes on their side.

Keep that in mind when you are in the minority. I can't wait to hear you say this is good, I love that the republicans are cutting everything, making people go to work, holding people personally resposiable and not just getting free food stamps and cell phones.

I can't wait for you to agree that life isn't free and that no place in the US Constitution does it say free heathcare for everyone.

I can't wait for you to say yea, the majority isn't listening to the minority and pushing their projects in private meetings behind closed doors.

(Wait that won't happen as that is a dems tactic)

I'm not a republican but I do believe in the US Constitution, that is more than I can say for the white house and senate.

Either that or we will be in for a sequal to the US revolution pretty soon.

The old rule had been abused to the detriment of the people our Senate serves. Right now we don't know where the majority lies in regard to any of the nominees do we? We won't know until we see some results of the confirmation votes in the Senate.

The writers of The Constitution were concerned that a majority faction would force it's will on the minority. Possibly, they would have been just as concerned regarding a rule that permitted the minority to effectively deny the Constitional process to function.

The primary function of any Executive's job is to ensure tat the business of the business gets done, and through that rule change, the Executive is protecting the Constitutional process.

The sky is falling; the sky is falling; the sky is falling because of the filibuster rule change. The downfall of our civilization is imminent. Communists, socialists and Nazis will converge on the USA and form death panels leaving only a scorched and sterile country.

It might be possible millions of anti-Fema camps will sprout from the sterile earth swallowing the Democrats and restoring order. Maybe the Republicans will vote 30-50 million times to nullify these new changes in the next 3 years. They can always use the excuse liberals hate the US Constitution.

We think the Hollywood starlet who said the bible and us constitution are not, never have been and should never be considered a political document was right. Possibly it was the only time she was right.

Dave and Sara,

Our dear leader is on record as saying (with distain) that he is bound by the US Constitution. It wasn't so much the words but the context he said it.

http://jimmysinsights.com/constitution/obama-talks-about-fundamental-flaws-of-th...

Yesterday he is on video telling a criminal (illegal) that he can't help him get citizenship while ignoring that he is breaking the law just by being in the crowd.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/25/barack-obama-hecklers-immigration_n_433...

That's it?!

You've provided one example of the President acknowledging the limits of his Constitutional power. The Huffington Post article does not state whether or not the man was an "illegal" or not. Is that assumption based on your preconceived notion?

The "jimmy" also noted some supposed "disdain" for the "...God inspired Constitution.." Mr. Obama mentions a "blind spot" the Founders suffered from. What was that "blind spot" that the Founders suffered from? Could it have been their failure to address racial equality? Gender equality?

If God had that much to do with it, why didn't He give the Founders the courage annd foresight to address those things in His document? He could've spared us a Civil War.

I'm not gonna engage in a "Yeah, but..." sort of "debate".

The founding fathers tried but didn't take into account the tactics some want-a-be tyrants would go to to enslave a population and become an dictator also.

America is suppost to be a free country and each person has a right to get educated and work hard to get more in life. The problem is not everyone wants to work for education nor work for what they have. What you get is a population of "take care of me" but you end up with a country of slaves to a tyranical goverment.

Do you think your masters will give you more since you are fighting for thier cause. You are a true brown shirt if you do.

thomas.loc.gov

The Library of Congress has all sorts of information on what was taken into account during the Constitutional convention. And much of it was written by the men who were actually there participating.

Go there to see what was taken into account by the state delegates.

Exercise your right to educate yourself. Don't be relyin' on "Jimmy".

And back to the subject of Ms.Marilyn's post, with apologies for my previous comments being off topic.

Food for thought:

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?hlaw:1:./temp/~ammem_2Jrp::

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?hlaw:3:./temp/~ammem_2Jrp::

It is our belief the Republican Party is now the party of panic as it become more desperate to maintain its membership and voting base. This can be seen in their need to acquire more boogeymen to scare people who will not research their claims.

Here are just some of the recent Republican claims that potential voters need to research. 1/liberals hate the US Constitution. 2/Republicans believe liberals fight for our government so the government will give them more thus turning them into true brown shirts; aka nazi. 3/Republicans believe in the US Constitution and the white house and senate don't. 4/Republicans believe USA immigration reform is a muslim brotherhood plot to bring in tons of illegal immigrant Muslims who don't wish us any kind of good. 5/Republican believe Obama almost nuked the USA and is still planning to kill 300 million people. 6/Obama is coming to get your guns.

If you believe any of the 6 points after doing the research, the Republican Party is for you.

I am in favor of Trouble 2011 working much harder at getting educated and stopping from getting his insights from Jimmy Smith who apparently gets his insights from Fox News. From Fox News, to Jimmy, and then regurgitated by Trouble 2011 is Garbage In and Garbage Out.

Trouble 2011 is an Obama hater and a liberal hater. Judging from his comments regarding masters, slaves, and brown shirts, he doesn't know what he is talking about. Back up your accusations with reputable sources Trouble so that we can take you seriously.

That is it sam just believe everything the government tells you.....

It worked so well for the American Indians after all.

You forgot to call me a racist, bigot, and prepper. I will gladly wear these terms if they mean I believe in the US Constitution, Personal responsibility, and freedom.

Just asking you to research before accusing Trouble2011. I'm a liberal but you don't seem to realize that I also believe in the living U.S. Constitution that can change as times change, personal responsibility and freedom.

I also believe that to grow America we have to give everyone a chance to food, shelter, education, and health. That just makes common sense.

This is were we differ, I don't believe in a 'living" US Constitution.

I do beleive things can be added and taken out if the majority of states agree. I do believe it should be 2/3 or better but that is my option.

Your growth of America sounds just like our communist friends and it is proven that those systems don't work. There is no incentive to work if you just give people stuff. There is no incentive to better yourself.

Check this out.

http://thecollegeconservative.com/2012/02/22/getting-the-grade-socialism-in-prac...

Go through history and show me one place were socialism thrived? Even Germany was pretty nice until Facism which is the sister to socialism. Hilter had programs that mirror socialism and if you didn't belong then you were demonized. Much like obama and his crew do to people that disagree with him. If you don't like to policies your a racist. If you don't like socialism then your a heartless (don't have a mother).

I believe in not letting people starve but not with food stamps. I have yet to go to Albertsons, Wallmart, or Pauls and not see the person in line abusing the system. Usally with a new I-phone 5 and driving a nicer car than mine. Let the local community take care of the locals. Open the schools up in the evening to feed those that are hungrey. Don't give them money to abuse. We proved that the education system doesn't work. And we are seeing the heathcare disaster unfold. Doctors are not going to get into a system to be dictated what they can and can't treat. I have worked with doctors from Russia and other contries and they hate the socialist systems. Shelter should be provided by them or their family if not then the community (local) and not dictated that I must pay your rent so you can do crack.

In reading the entire post and comments I got to tell you trouble you don't have a lot of insight into social problems.The assumptions you make don't do anything but foster ill will,hate and discontent.Pleas do some research about the problems and stop relying on the television to give you factual information.LOCAL COMMUNITY ACTION HELPS BUT IT CANNOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM AND NEVER COULD.THAT DOESNT MAKE IT A NANNY STATE,IT SIMPLY MEANS THE PROBLEM IS BIGGER THAN THEY CAN HANDLE.If there was 100% employment and that means for real, your arguments might hold water,BEING THERE ISNT AND EVERYONE DOESNT HAVE THE OPPERTUNITY TO WORK,there is a problem.To assume everyone who has to use assistance is abusing the system is simply not true,and research will tell you the facts and conditions of the assistance not what is rumored.Publis education works but it requires work.Work by the student,parents and the teachers.The system was not set up to be a babysitter.The parents who respond to aid there children learning the student does fine the parent who take the stand education is not my job the student suffers.The system has not failed the parents have failed to take on there responsibility.

I have not taken the time to really get after this but I think anyone can get the jest.

EVERYONE HAVE A GREAT THANKSGIVING AND BE SAFE............

Trouble2011, your lack of research, and lack of insight makes commenting on your post bothersome.

Nobody is promoting socialism so stop that big leap to a wrong conclusion.

A living constitution is one that you can make amendments to and it's pretty hard to make the amendments. We don't even differ on that.

You don't know anything about the people that you see in Albertsons and Wal-Mart. It could be that they are out of work and are on food stamps but their parents are providing them with a phone so that they can keep in touch with them.

The point is that you don't know anything. You just have negative conclusions.

The educational system works very well in some states like Massachusetts. It works very poorly in Idaho and Utah because the conservatives in both states don't support education.

Just think if you had been better educated. Maybe then you would know the difference between guesswork and facts.

I like how anyone with a different view and insight is either a racist or haven't done their research. I have done my research and I see it in our community everyday.....

Calling me names doesn't make you right.

I know the facts and calling me stupid shows you don't have the facts.

Remember the sticks and stones from when you where a child.....maybe not maybe you skipped that part and went straight to being a perfect god.

WHAT do you see in our community TROUBLE???Be specific ok I know what Sam is saying about research because your inferences have some overtones to them.You admitted that America is sopposed to be a free country were everyone has the "right" to get educated,work hard to get more in life.Those are great ideals however AMERICA THROUGH SEVERAL MEANS HAS NOT ALLOWED THAT TO COME TO PASS THROUGH VARIOUS MEANS.Now if you don't see that,that is OK.The denial of education to some,the denial of certain employment although qualified,the paying of less because of your sex or race,2 sets of rules for the same crimes(CRACK VS POWEDERED),THE TARGETING OF CERTAIN AREAS OF THE VOTING PUBLIC,These things to name a few are to the detriment of a free society as it goes to all is not equal.OUR community is not a mirror of America as a whole, our ethenic makeup is screwed one sided.In short everyone is not afforded the full measure of freedom.

The locals take care of the locals in the long term does not work, that has been proven. You get folks who make decisions about who needs what based on the personal views,and agenda's not on actual need. I hate to say this but your post show that very thing.A person could be driving a 20yr old caddillac and the only thing that is seen is it's a caddillac.That is not seeing the whole picture.You speak of the ACA,doctores are already under the gun from insurance co's about what they can treat and what they cant.The ACA is designed to stop that.Wether it does or not is another matter.We don't know if it is a disaster or not because we are registering for it.Your assumption is what I have said before, fired before hired.

Incentives to work.......as we have become a service oriented society the customary low wage jobs have changed to become primary job for many. As those jobs place in society has changed the wages must also or we change back to manufacturing society one of the two.We inflate the cost of things and assume that wages keep pace it has been proven that they don't and have not.We are not speaking of entitlement we are talking about survival.You may be fortunate and most of this has not touched you YET but is for the most part touching us all.

Taking care of the citizens of our country should be our priority and all things should be weighed based on that,and we have to consider those less fortunate nations but not to the detriment of ours.There is a faction in our country that seems to want to ensure that we are all slaves to some corporation or the other.WE need to stop worshipping MONEY and worship each other. We are what makes it happen, all of us......equally.

I don't think anyone called you stupid TROUBLE I DO think your insight to some things is questionable but that's me,you state some things as absolutes and they are definetly not......you have a good day.

The Republican have said they have the facts and can prove most people in Mountain Home on public assistance have new i-phones, always abuse the system and own the nicest cars. They can also prove our education system doesn't work at all. We just ask that you do your own research or reach out to Trouble2011 and ask him for this proof. The facts may be a little different than how the Republicans paint the picture.

It is possible that Trouble2011 is doing a little race baiting himself. He suggests everyone forgot to call him a racist, bigot or prepper and for some reason he goes on to say he'd proudly wear those badges.

Trouble2011's only research on the "abusers" of the Food Stamp system is going to Wal-Mart to buy groceries and then making guesses about people that he sees in line.

Maybe he needs to mind his own business and not be watching what other customers use to pay for their food and what else they may also buy?

Unfortunately all of those are either taken out of context or massaged to meet an agenda. All of those are addressed in the book Control-Exposing-Truth-About-Guns. http://www.amazon.com/Control-Exposing-Truth-About-Guns-ebook/dp/B00BAWQ6E6/ref=...

pjluckyman, I think I'll pass on reading a Glenn Beck fictional tale about guns. I like to stick to the truth and not the great right wing conspiracy theories.

Watched some of glenns stuff the other day......what world is he in????? HE WOULD BE BETTER OF GETTING HIMSELF A CONGREGATION...MA7YBE HE COULD SAVE THEM.....HE CERTAINLY BELIEVES HIMSELF.

Sam burying your head in the sand and pretending there isn't any abuse going on might be fine for you but eventually the free stuff will have to end.

We see the use of weapons, pepper spray, and stun-guns during black Friday sales by people trying to save a buck. Imagine food shortages, people not getting their free handout and what panic and chaos will happen. It is only a matter of time.

If any bleeding heart cares, I know a lot of hard working minorities out there that I respect and go out of my way to refer them so they can get more work. These people refuse handouts and would work two or three jobs to make ends meet. The problem is the others that think food stamps and welfare are a way of life.

If you don't believe they are out there then your world of rainbows and unicorns must be a fun place. Denial of the situation is what leads to communism, fascism, and a dictatorship. Pretending to care more than someone else doesn't make you superior.

Less you forget the old Chinese Proverb, "Give a man a fish he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish he will eat for life."

Same could be said about food stamps and welfare. Give a family welfare and food stamps and they will continue to take, limit what the time they can receive them (without exception) and they will have to work. This has been proven true with unemployment and the extension of it. As soon as someone hit the max they just happened to find a job. I have also turned down contractors, plumbers, and other people I was going to hire when they insisted in getting paid in cash, as a check would cut into their unemployment check.

People are dishonest, and will take advantage of handouts and freebees. People are not like our parents or grandparents; they just don't have a conscience.

To think otherwise is just naive.

Trouble who are these people & family's you keep talking about who are on welfare and receive food stamps? How do you know they don't work?

Don't be so sure our parents and Grandparents were different. I lived in welfare housing when I was a little girl, and not a bit ashamed of it.

TROUBLE......I am curious do you ever see anyone besides minorities with food stamps??? Where are all the year round jobs????There is a limit on how long you can be on welfare.Now if they don't enforce it that is another story.I will take the time to remind you that there are pockets of subcultures such appllachia which some like to ignore.I WOULD ALSO SAY IT AGAIN THERE IS NO 100% EMPLOYMENT, AND A MINORITY SHOULD NOT HAVE TO WORK 3 JOBS TO MAKE ENDS MEET.Maybe if we did not have a culture of last hired first fired some things would change a little.We don't eat any less than you do so why should I be payed less,those are the questions that should be asked.

SAM is not burying his head in the sand.He is saying the same as I AM, HOW COME YOU ONLY SEE AND TALK ABOUT ONE GROUP???? I would not consider what you have to say here as objective and my head is not in the sand.

Yes I see all types of people abusing the system no matter what ethnic, height, weight, hair color...it doesn't matter, what matters is the abuse of the system.

Quit bring race into this, this has nothing to do with race it has to do with LAZYNESS and LEARNED DEPENDENCE. (See I can use my caps key also)

The group I'm talking about is CHEATERS, LIERS, FREE LOADERS and CROCKS. I could be talking about politicians but in this case I'm talking about people that don't want to work or want to abuse the system.

You must have dry mouth from you head in the sand because you refuse to see the corruption and waste of taxpayer money. You also try to distract by injecting race, name calling, and Don't bring my parents and grandparents into this they all worked hard and refused handouts just like I did when I joined the military, yes I was eligible for food stamps but refused them and got a second job first at a gas station, then subway.

How do you know if someone is a cheater, liar, free loader or crook Trouble2011? Just having a food stamp card doesn't mean that you are either of those things.

Here are some facts about who is getting food stamps.

"Myth #2: Cutting food stamps will make people get jobs because able-bodied people are getting food stamps instead of working.

Republicans call food stamps "welfare" and called the bill cutting food stamps the "Work Opportunity Act." The idea is that after five years of recession and with 11.3 million people unemployed -- 4.3 million out of work for 27 weeks or more -- along with 7.9 million people working part-time but looking for full-time and another 2.3 million "marginally attached," what the country needs is even more hungry people.

Actually, even though many on food stamps are children, elderly, disabled or temporarily unemployed, lots of people who use food stamps already are working. According to Feeding America "76 percent of SNAP households included a child, an elderly person or a disabled person. These vulnerable households receive 83 percent of all SNAP benefits." According to the USDA, "Over 30 percent of SNAP households had earnings in 2011 and 41 percent of all SNAP participants lived in a household with earnings."

One more thing, people don't get very much food stamp money: four percent get only $16 a month. The average household gets $281 a month. The average individual gets about $133 a month.

Would you quit work or refuse a job for $133 a month which can only be used to buy food?"

http://billmoyers.com/2013/10/08/six-myths-about-food-stamps/

TROUBLE........I mentioned something that you overlook it's called opportunity.When I first got here the only part time jobs for a minority was on base.Until the last ten yrs seeing a minority working anywhere in this town other than for the state or the federal government was not to be.LIKE what is happening to our president the people here did everything they could to make ROBERT MONTGOMERY(owner mtn home ford) uncomfortable with rumours, innuendo's and down right racist meaniness.What I am saying to you is that you never ever point out faults of some people but you can harp on faults of others as you perceive them.AS a person who owned business here I can tell you being a minority was not and asset and the attempts to hurt my business where many and it was done with malice.

You may not have taken food stamps because you didn't want to or whatever, that was your choice at least you had a choice.I had a LTC in class one time who swore he was not elgible.He had 5 kids.we made a little bet andm when he came back from lunch and calling the welfare office he found out he was elgible.He probally didn't take them but he sure as heck could have gotten food stamps.FINDING AND GETTING A JOB IS NOT ALWAYS AS EASY AS YOU THINK ESPECIALLY IF THERE IS BIAS.

There are people out there who think every MINORITY person in AMERICA WAS BORN AND RAISED IN SOME GHETTO WITH NO EDUCATION AND IS LOOKING TO DO SOMETHING CRIMINAL.......DO YOU THINK THOSE FOLKS ARE GOING TO GIVE ME A JOB?????? think again.OR HOW ABOUT IF YOUR DRESSED AND DONT TALK LIKE YOU COME OUT OF SOME SUBCULTURE THAT YOU MUST BE A DOPE DEALER......DO YOU face those things TROUBLE ????? yOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW DEMEANING THOSE KIND OF THINGS ARE.

POINT is if you don't see someone as the same you tend to notice all the things that make that person less than in your mind you never see them as the same as everyone else.Some people are lazy most are not,learned dependency comes from lack of education,self actualization comes from education.......why do you think teaching a slave to read could get you executed and a slave that could read was executed......eduction.I think all anyone is saying to you TROUBLE is look at the whole picture not just what you want to see.Recognize that we all have a stake in this,and we all have our faults.

THANKS SAM.......Maybe between what the 2 of us have said there can be a better understanding,I hope so..........

I'm afraid that we allowed Trouble to divert us from the topic of the blog. Sorry Marilyn.

It all goes back to gun control, it is about control. Enslavement of people is easier if you make them dependent on you (the government) first. It is a learned behavior that the government is teaching and people are far too willing to learn.

There is opportunity for these that want it. It may not be a management job or a easy job but those willing to have some self-dignity can find a job. I know many people that work jobs they would rather not work. I have never had a problem finding a job nor has my wife. If you're willing then you will find a job. As a business owner I have seen people that don't want to work but want to use you as a "contact" for their paperwork. Most just tried to call.

You're fooling yourself if you think everyone on welfare/food stamps and even 2-plus years of unemployment are not gaming the system. Like most government programs they are designed to encourage fraud. Look and Medicaid, Medicare and now obama care. The latest news yesterday is that the government will pay insurance companies whatever they bill using the honor system. Hate to tell you this but people are dishonest, lie, and cheat. It is a natural thing for humans to do, if it wasn't we wouldn't need prisons and we could sit around holding hands signing "cumbia" all day.

Come into reality guys, pretending everything is great and that people have no personal responsibility for their actions and circumstances is naive at best and harmful if not recognized.

I do believe that families, local communities are better suited to deal with people that are in need than the US Government. The waste/fraud/abuse we have witnessed from our government over the last 40-50 years have turned a lot of people off and with the same jerks getting voted back into office by idiots you are going to get more of the same. *yes I vote every chance I get but usually don't win (I didn't vote for obama if you can guess)

But back to guns the myths are wrong in this article; they are skewed in favor of controlling the people by taking weapons from good people. If everyone with a gun was half as dangerous as you guys think we are there wouldn't be any of you around to tell us we are dangerous.

People are naive and have no clue about reality and enable crime and dependence that believe everyone is good and nobody is capable of helping themselves. Some people are crooks, some people just don't care, and some people will take advantage of the situation.

The first thing that happened in New Orleans was the government going around confiscating guns, why do you suppose this happened?

Trouble the reason they confiscated guns: crowd control because of chaos in the streets, looting, everyone scrambling for a place to stay and get food, etc etc........

Good excuse for marshal law and to suspend the US Constitution and turn people into slaves.

If you had a tyrant in office that did this on a national level do you really think he would give up his power? Power corrupt, this is why Washigton DC is full of corruption and has been since Tricky Dick. He was caught and people still had morals at that time and he had to resign. Today not so much.

Trouble try to focus on the topic and identify one myth that is wrong and back it up with a fact not just your own myth about government trying to enslave us.

Trouble what do you think about Felons who cannot own guns? They can't own guns even if their crime didn't involve using a gun or having a gun on them at the time they did the crime. Does it say in the constitution you can not own a gun if your a felon?

To answer you both, there are way to many laws already. Half are not even enforced or are so outdated the don't even matter. I also believe that they can have all the laws they want but they still don't stop criminals. This is because criminals don't care about laws.

This is a forign concept to liberals. These are the same people that believe a sign saying no firearms allowed or making a gun-free-zone (GFZ) will stop criminals from bringing guns into the area. Again these people are nieve and well lets just say it like it is "they are STUPID". Now I'm not calling you this because I don't know what you believe and to tell you the truth don't really care. Take Newton for example, the school was a GFZ but the shooter broke 23 laws that day. Everything he did was against the "already" made laws.

As for the felon thing, were did that come from? I have an option abou this though. They can't vote either and they can't protect themselves or their family. Once they have paid their debt to sociaty they should have their rights given back to them. I say this with the understanding that some people like murders and child molesters would get life or death and never be free EVER. But someone that gets a class 3 felony for not clearing their sidewalk...really?

You can hold public office even if you have a felony.

As for this article, it is crap and isn't based on real facts. I could type one of these up myself with an opposite view point.

But as you guys say, maybe YOU should do some research.

Question: How many of the mass shooting (4 or more people hurt) in the last 5 years were in GFZ's?

Answer: All but one. Yes the Gifford lady was the only mass shooting in the last 5 years that wasn't in a GFZ.

Newtown was a GFZ

The Mall Shooting a GFZ

The quary in Kalifornia a GFZ

The Theater in Colarodo a GFZ

Fort Hood a GFZ

Fairchild AFB Hospital Shooting (1994) while older I was personally involved with this mass shooting and there is no feeling worse than feeling helpless and shall we say "a fish in a barrell" helpless to defend yourself or others. Unless you have been in a mass shooting here in the USA I guess you will never understand. It is hard to talk to sheep while they are listening to the wolfs.

TROUBLE you made some good points......but you could have done it without the name calling.There are no SHEEP here,there are people who might disagree but no sheep.

Have you asked a liberal what concept they might understand about the GFZ OR ARE YOU MAKING AND ASSUMPTION.THE FT HOOD INCIDENT WAS AVOIDABLE....The major was flagged by his peers but the higher ups ignored,and that went all the way back to Walter Reid,tHE FLAG OFFICER IN CHARGE SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT LEAST CENSURED BECAUSE HE WAS MADE AWARE OF THIS PERSON AND HIS LEANINGS.

I keep hearing if someone else had a weapon they could have stoped this or that.We don't know that,it is a big fat maybe and maybe more innocents would have gotten hurt.EVEN in combat some people are not capable of firing on another person.I like everyone else do not have and empirical answer.

I do know that based on the need when the constitution was written the 2nd amend was needed I am not convined that rational is real today.The law is the law anyone who feels the need within the law is entitled.......... well got to go....later

The Republicans want you "to believe" liberals don't understand criminals don't follow the law and don't care about laws so laws don't do much good; we guess that is the message they are trying to convey.

In reality most liberals really do understand what laws are. How about researching why we have laws in the USA to see if those Republicans are out there trying to scare you into thinking the big bad liberal, communist, socialist Nazi's are coming to get you, your guns and are starting the enslavement process on you. If you do the research and come to the same conclusion the Republicans want you "to believe" you have found your political party.

I'm pretty sure that Trouble has really no idea what in general liberals think about different things, and also what specific things some liberals think. He just imagines some hateful creatures and assigns negative characteristics to them, just as he does those who collect food stamps.

He is afraid that there is some government conspiracy to enslave everyone because he thinks people are just plain bad. I know this because that is what he said. I think that he would like others to be afraid of the same things.

His argument that criminals don't obey laws is not valid. If a criminal doesn't obey the law then he or she will eventually be arrested and locked up and will have no choice but to obey the law. When he or she gets out of prison, they may think twice about doing something so stupid again.

SARA......I think your right, but I don't think anyone here is going to go for that.They certainly don't scare anyone here and the conspiracy thing gets old,that's why the name calling.I DISAGREE BUT I am not name calling because I do.I really don't understand were they get the idea that liberals embrace criminals if anything we embrace fairness within the law and seek justice. We do seem to get more miscarraiges of justice in conservative states.And a lot of police brutality. Well enough.........later

JUNKYARDDOG........THAT IS NOY CORRECT EITHER...MORE LIKE THAT IS YOUR FEELINGS......THAT IS OK...... YOUR ENTITLED TO IT.

I don't know anyone who embaces's parasites,everyone I KNOW TALKS ABOUT PERSONAL RESPOSIBILTY..........the thing that changes the balance is opportunity,now you might misinterpret that but that is up to you.........later

I'm mostly a liberal and don't embrace parasites. junkyard dog, could you be someone that is what he calls other people?

How about taking the personal responsibility to always tell the truth, right or wrong?

"Liberals don't embrace criminals; they embrace parasites."

Doggonit, JYD!

That's about as silly as, " "dirty no good Tea Partying radical NAZIs, those right wing trouble makers bent upon throwing granny off the cliff."