Tell Me Lies & then Tell Me More Lies

Posted Wednesday, October 9, 2013, at 6:37 PM

If its not enough to have to deal with this avoidable Government Shut down we will in a matter of 8 days and counting start the debate on raising the Debt Ceiling.

Thanks to Speaker of the House of Representatives John Andrew Boehner for attaching "defund Obamacare" to the National Budget

John Boehner Said In March He Didn't Think Defunding Obamacare Was Worth The Risk Of Debt Default

"Our goal is to cut spending, not to shut down the government," Boehner said at the time.

"Our goal is to cut spending, not to shut down the government," Boehner said. "And if we were to put Obamacare into the C.R. we were risking shutting down the government. That is not our goal. Our goal is to cut spending."

Ha HA ! Boehner said that back in March of this year

NOW!

The latest twist in the budget battle is whether the House of Representatives could open the Government with a so-called "clean" budget resolution - that is, a bill that deals only with the federal budget, and that does not address funding for the Affordable Care Act or defunding Obamacare, as many Republicans would like.

This would take a bipartisan vote to pass, with both Democrats and some Republicans in favor, to get over 217 votes.

So far, House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, hasn't presented such a bill to the full House for an up-or-down vote, few if any Republicans would support it. He instead prefers to present bills that are supported by most or all of the House Republicans first.

As of now CBS News estimates that 213 House members, including all Democrats and 13 Republicans, would support such a bill, meaning the votes are almost there, but not quite. This situation is in flux, with members' preferences changing depending on the specifics of the bill, or as the shut down continues. We'll keep you posted as the numbers change. Estimates are based on CBS News reporting from Capitol Hill along with the most recent public statements of House members.

Now lets go back to the Debt Ceiling and the 3 lies the GOP are about to tell.

1. A default wouldn't really be that bad.

2. Obama is a big hypocrite because he voted against a debt-limit increase while Bush was president.

3. The Democrats won't compromise, wah wah wah!

If you would like to read more about the 3 lies the GOP will tell you can read all about it right here http://www.thedailybeast.com/

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Great blog! Thank you MsMarylin.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Oct 9, 2013, at 9:00 PM
Fret not MsMarilyn, this will all be over soon. The puppet master Koch brothers have sent their puppets in the republican party a cease and desist letter on Obamacare.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-10-09/koch-industries-distances-itself-fro...

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/09/20886586-kochs-to-congress-focus...

I suspect that in the following days the republican rhetoric will shift from Obamacare (Isn't this the reason this whole shutdown/slimdown happened in the first place) to a focus on spending. There will be a compromise struck that will not touch Obamacare, but will reduce some level of government spending.

I'm sure that this compromise will include nothing more than what democrats have been offering long before this shutdown occurred. Senator Paul (soon to be known as a RINO) Ryan has proposed a solution that does nothing more than advocate the adoption of previously agreed upon reforms and doesn't mention Obamacare anywhere.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303442004579123943669167898.html

The agreement will allow the republican party to fulfill their true goal as stated by Senator Stutzman: "We're not going to be disrespected," conservative Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., added. "We have to get something out of this. And I don't know what that even is."

Both sides will stand up and claim victory, when in fact neither side "won" anything, they just ensured that once again the American public lost.

Please don't tell Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul that they didn't "win", we'll just let them keep whispering in dark corners.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/03/rand-paul-mitch-mcconnell-hot-mic_n_403...

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/10/03/Copy%20of%20Rand-Paul-and-Mitch...

-- Posted by Mercutio on Wed, Oct 9, 2013, at 9:11 PM
Welcome back to the blog Mercutio.

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Thu, Oct 10, 2013, at 12:05 PM
I found an excellent editorial describing the various options and thought processes of those involved in the debate over the shutdown. There is hope if Ryan can pull of his idea which is cut and pasted below from the editorial.

PAUL RYAN'S STOCK RISES IN BUDGET BATTLE: Jonathan Weisman has an interesting look at how Paul Ryan is rising among fellow Republicans as his plan for a way out of the fiscal mess -- trade a debt ceiling hike for entitlement cuts and tax reform -- is now becoming the GOP exit strategy. The key here is that Ryan's been able to do this precisely because his plan sidelines the conservative obsession with making Obamacare central to everything (which, of course, is angering the right).

Also of note: "Democrats believe that when Mr. Ryan drafts a plan, he can actually deliver the votes. They hold no such confidence in Mr. Boehner."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/10/11/the-morning-plum-the...

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Oct 11, 2013, at 11:09 AM
More hopeful news on the shutdown being over. They are trying to get an agreement before the stock market opens on Monday.

"Details were still fluid late Friday, but the latest 23-page draft of the emerging measure would immediately end the shutdown and fund federal agencies for six months at current spending levels. It would maintain deep automatic cuts known as the sequester, but give agency officials flexibility to decide where the cuts should fall.

In addition, the proposal would also raise the debt limit through Jan. 31, 2014. Lawmakers were considering whether to include a provision that would direct the House and Senate Budget committees to immediately enter negotiations over broader budget issues and to issue a report by Jan. 15, 2014. If an agreement could be reached, it would clear a path for another increase in the debt limit later that month, without additional drama.

In exchange, Republicans were seeking what they called a few "fig leafs" -- minor adjustments to Obama's new health-care initiative. The first would delay for two years a 2.3-percent tax on medical devices that is unpopular in both parties. The second would require internal auditors to ensure that people who get tax subsidies to buy health insurance are in fact eligible."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-to-host-gop-senators-after-first-si...

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Fri, Oct 11, 2013, at 7:06 PM
As of this morning

Senate Taking Lead on Shutdown Talks

House Republicans are deferring to the Senate to deal with debt ceiling negotiations, confirming Saturday morning that they have nothing new to offer the White House since Obama shot down their proposal for a short-term extension of the debt ceiling. "I'm disappointed that the president has rejected the offer that we put on the table," said House Majority Leader Eric Cantor. "I know that he's trying to see which Republican senator he can pick off the Senate. I hope that the Senate Republicans stand strong so we can speak with one voice." Republican Senator Susan Collins of Maine is working on a bipartisan budget proposal that extends the debt ceiling through January and includes a stopgap bill that funds the government through March. "I'm trying to give the House a serious option to consider," said Collins. "And that's been one of my goals since their first strategy was clearly a very flawed one."

Read it at USA Today

October 12, 2013 11:30 AM

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Sat, Oct 12, 2013, at 11:28 AM
The Koch brothers, AKA Geppetto, pull their strings again and the little Pinocchios in the republican party start to dance.

"Fox News is told that a decision by the conservative group Heritage Action to come out against the emerging bill drove some Republicans to oppose the plan -- and helped sideline the proposal."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/15/house-gop-floats-plan-to-address-debt...

-- Posted by Mercutio on Tue, Oct 15, 2013, at 6:04 PM
5 Days ago President Obama's White House advisor and former Campaign Manager David Plouffe accused House Republicans of "Economic Treason"

As of yesterday Michelle "Loser" Bachmann introduced a resolution to impeach Obama. The hearings start this Thursday.

Here's the link.

I think this could be a link MM has missed putting out there.

http://www.codewit.com/north-america/13034-house-republicans-schedule-obama-impe...

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Tue, Oct 15, 2013, at 9:56 PM
MsMarilyn,

This is another story that was created by a satirical website and spread around like it was true. It's not.

If you scroll down to the bottom of the article, you'll see a link on the left for "Source" click on that and it takes you to the website dailycurrant.com. This is the site that posted this story originally. When you go to their "about" page you get this:

"The Daily Currant is an English language online satirical newspaper that covers global politics, business, technology, entertainment, science, health and media. It is accessible from over 190 countries worldwide - now including South Sudan.

Our mission is to ridicule the timid ignorance which obstructs our progress, and promote intelligence - which presses forward.

Q. Are your news stories real?

A. No. Our stories are purely fictional. However they are meant to address real-world issues through satire and often refer and link to real events happening in the world"

http://dailycurrant.com/about/

-- Posted by Amuzeme on Tue, Oct 15, 2013, at 11:46 PM
It looks like, once again, there is hope for a compromise, with the next cliff hanger not occurring until January. Hopefully, Congress will see, particularly Ted Cruz and John Boehner, that this brinkmanship hurts the Republican party more than anyone.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/house-effort-to-en...

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Oct 16, 2013, at 11:30 AM
Amuzeme Thank you for pointing out it is a satirical website. It's been all over FB and I had never heard of the site. Had I scrolled all the way down to the bottom I would of seen it was only satire. Think of all the others that didn't and believed it.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Wed, Oct 16, 2013, at 1:12 PM
Speaking of satirical websites, here is another one that I'm surprised hasn't already been posted on the MHN site as a true website exposing flaws in Obama.

http://www.thedailyrash.com/president-obamas-white-part-of-me-is-racist

-- Posted by Sam_1776 on Wed, Oct 16, 2013, at 1:35 PM

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