Not Only The South

All that is great until we have another Katrina!

When's the government coming with my check, why ain't the government hear to fix this NOW........

The CNP has about as much chance of making it as Ralph Nader has of ever becoming the president of the United States.....

In these days it's all about taking the easiest route....... which is going to give me the most benny's with the least amount of effort by me......That is why we have our current president elect..... he offered the most benny's, all they had to do if follow......easy to follow, hard to be a leader.........

No "third" party will ever work in replacing either of the two majors in a two-party system. Almost all have too limited appeal.

What would actually improve public policy would be statutory reforms to abolish impediments to a multi-party system, in which the Democrats and Republicans had to build broad, inclusive coalitions with other factions in legislatures, be it federalists and cultural conservatives for Republicans - or what have you. It'd bring six or seven perspectives to an issue.

Take health care. We do not have and do not want, with a few possible exceptions known for craziness, a free-market health care system. Before a bill is ever paid, the government, in the public's interest, controls supply through licensing. Not for the sake of controlling supply, but because the public needs confidence the person attending to their medical needs is qualified.

Now, health care is expensive for a variety of reasons - monopolistic patenting laws, malpractice litigation costs, the costs associated with getting a medical degree, etc. Our "two-party" system spends 14 years bickering over whether to pay high bills as consumers or to pay high bills as taxpayers.

The best way to come to a solution is by bringing six or seven perspectives to the table instead of two.

Now, if the government being "too large and powerful" is a reference to hacking away and hacking away at regulations, so perhaps one day any yahoo with a couple hundred and a medical supplies catalog can advertise their services, then I'm not sure the "CNP" ought to be one of those six or seven.

Oh, Mike...you said you're weren't going address politics anymore. I may have misunderstood. I think a lot of you beyond politics of course.

But the last states' rights person I had absolute respect for was General Lee, with whom I also totally disagreed. (Even Lee's decision was reluctant.) Lincoln had it better with "a house divided against itself cannot stand."

Proper and fair regulations, in my opinion, are needed. So are taxes, darn it. I absolutely do not believe in breaking up the country. No Stars and Bars for me; Stars and Stripes instead. United Nations? Lots and lots of improvement needed there but I believe in something of the kind. Problems in the country? Oh, yes, but the poeple need to work together to try to make it better, not run off.

Oh, do I owe you such an apology, Mike; please forgive me. Bad mood is not excuse. I myself have defended freedom of speech so that I've gotten in trouble for it, and here I go, going against those beliefs...I'm sorry.

How convenient that you left out the part of the plans for your confederate party is to repeal the 14th and 15th amendments.

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[This is the #1 plan on the Confederates Agenda]

1. New Amendment to Constitution which repeals 14th and 15th amendments.

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I added these these 13th, 14th and 15th amendments for the benefit of the people who your trying con.

Passed by Congress January 31, 1865. Ratified December 6, 1865.

Amendment XIII

Section 1.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

AMENDMENT XIV

Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2-4 [omitted].

Section 5.

The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

AMENDMENT XV

Passed by Congress February 26, 1869. Ratified February 3, 1870.

Section 1.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

Section 2.

The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

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And as for socialism turning people into robots, try reading some books on the history of labor in the U.S.A. Start with the History of Chicago and the Haymarket Riots. More specifically- Death in the Haymarket, by James Green. Then You'll learn that socialism was not about turning people into machines but giving the people control of their working environments and social environments. It was the socialist/unions and in some cases the anarchists that gave us Fair Pay, the rights to health benefits, sick leave and pay, vacation and pay, and the 8hr work day. It was the government who demonized the labor movement because they saw that these parties and unions were becoming to powerfully. Which in turn causes the politicians to lose power and the Ceo to lose their million dollar pay checks. If it hadn't of been for the socialist and the unions we'd all still be working 16 to 18 hour days getting paid near to nothing and absolutely no safety regulations.

But whatever, if people really care, they can check out our crazy parties themselves.

www.confederateamericanpride.com

http://www.socialistparty-usa.org/

Opps that wasn't the party address for the confederates, sorry.

There is a link for it just under this section.

[Sons and Daughters of the Confederacy] in the address listed above.

[2. Government controls all means of production and distribution of goods. bazookas opinion]

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The Socialist Parties Fact:

Production For Use, Not For Profit

In a socialist system the people own and control the means of production and distribution through democratically controlled public agencies, cooperatives, or other collective groups. The primary goal of economic activity is to provide the necessities of life, including food, shelter, health care, education, child care, cultural opportunities, and social services.

These social services include care for the chronically ill, persons with mental disabilities, the infirm and the aging. Planning takes place at the community, regional, and national levels, and is determined democratically with the input of workers, consumers, and the public to be served.

I for one don't deny the positive results of the union movement. Hard-fought tho' they were, they were definitely worth it.

The CNP that has C.S.A. under its little flag? The C.S.A. confederate states of america which the following is taken directly from their "constitution"

"Section 9.

The importation of negroes of the African race from any foreign country other than the slaveholding States or Territories of the United States of America, is hereby forbidden; and Congress is required to pass such laws as shall effectually prevent the same.

Congress shall also have power to prohibit the introduction of slaves from any State not a member of, or Territory not belonging to, this Confederacy.

The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it.

No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed."

It's racist no matter how many times you say it isn't. If they didn't want to be racists then they wouldn't have used the confederate rag. But they want to be racist so they use a symbol of the worst that America has to offer. The malcontent miscreant racist scum that they identify with and that they are.

CNP = Racist

CSA= Racist

Confederate Flag= Pride in a racist past..

Here's the link to the "confederate states of america"......

http://www.confederatestatesofamerica.org/csa-constitution.htm

"I AM AN AMERICAN. I believe in our Constitution."

The Constitution the "Confederate National Party" wants to empower states to abandon, under agenda item 4, "Make the right of secession of any state an inalienable and irrefutable right?"

Nowhere in your CNP Top Twelve does it specifically say the individual liberties spoken for in the Bill of Rights are absolute and take precedence over government authority at either state or federal level. It seems the confederacy then and now wasn't and isn't about empowering the people but the state capitols.

"As we talked about, I believe that under a different name and symbol, a LOT of people would already be on board.

But when you say the word 'Confederate' or show the 'flag,' which sourherners have as MUCH RIGHT to display as the Mexicans have with THEIRS...."

I am grateful myself people are free to fly the Mexican flag and the Confederate flag and even the Nazi flag. All three would draw criticism from people exercising their own First Amendment rights. And I'm not going to rally to any of those flags, no matter who's flying them. And set aside, for just a moment, the whole issue of slavery - why would I ever rally to a flag that celebrates the men who tried to kill my grandfather's grandfather?

And before anyone mentions The North's "intrusion" into Southern affairs, ah, no, you've got that backwards.

Not only was slavery permitted by the feds, The Fugitive Slave Act was passed in 1850 and not repealed until well after the insurrectionists attempted to starve the U.S. soldiers at Fort Sumter. The Fugitive Slave Act intended to force northerners, when they encountered a runaway slave in their free states, to return him into southern custody.

It was a blatant effort to force the north not only to tolerate slavery from a distance but to legitimize it when southerners failed to adequately, well, deny men and women their God-given freedom and they escaped.

Bazookaman,

I don't believe you have any faith in your fellow Americans. You talk about how horribly wrong this country is but it is by far the best thing going. If your fantasy does come true, a dictator takes over, and you can run around the streets with your bazooka and kill the bad people, there will be many more everyday Americans out there leading the way than there will be racists fighting for the confederacy. You use the same rational as the far left. The ends justify the means. So a couple blacks go back in to slavery, big deal, at least we got our country back?

It's not the old CSA, it's the CSA of today that wants, "No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed."

No matter how many times that you say a racist group, with a racist history, flying a racist flag, sporting a racist title, isn't racist, they are.

Bravo pjsdad...a racist is a racist who hangs out with racists and wants to convert US into racists to create a racist state. I for one will die trying to stop this scurge of bigotry, as it is a cancer that MUST e taken from tha body before it kills it.

ayre,

Where was this rally held? I didn't hear anything about it except for you saying you were heading up to Boise for it? Was it advertised?

And the meek shall inherit the earth,,,

I'm not sure whether to start with the convenience or the condescension.

How about the convenience.

"Thanks for the history lesson, but I'm talking about NOW................2008."

Well, you're talking about now when you're not talking about the Revolution. Or the Third Reich. Or claiming that in the Civil War that "the driving force behind the South's contempt for the North was government intrusion." But when the historical record doesn't support that lie, only then is it time to not "be nearly so concerned" with historic facts and what parallels can be drawn.

Now, comparing yourself to a teacher, whose brighter pupils, "even if only one or two get something out of it" when they buy into your selective accounting of facts, which then means "it wasn't a wasted class." That's just patronizing.

And somehow, the prediction of the CNP's electoral defeat manages to be both. How high-minded of you to vote for the CNP thie- I mean, non-thieves! That's right, teacher says to ignore that the historic movement they glorify advocated the theft of labor from a slave workforce.

It's too bad all of us who disagree with you are either brainwashed or have malicious, anti-American motives - otherwise, you'd convince us with your blog carried by a mainstream newspaper's Web site to vote CNP, and they MIGHT even be able to crawl out of eighth place, behind Jackknife's ticket and the party that advocates levitating things through telekinesis.

And I generally don't make predictions, but here's a twofer - democracy will not be suspended and the 2012 election will go on as elections now do - a prediction that ought to go without saying - and the Greens, Natural Law, Libertarian, Constitution and at least one openly socialist party will each pull more votes than the CNP, provided it even gets on any ballots.

I don't have a bunch. I vote. I write emails. I debate and discuss with friends and family. Closest I could come to a group would be Libertarian I guess. I probably agree with more of what you say is going sideways than most people. But I will NOT lend my small amount of wieght to an organization that is so flawed on a core subject. They want to enslave other humans. It's part of their current constitution. That's enough for me to know that they arent for me. Even if EVERY single other thing that they want to do is perfectly in line with what my little brain wants. So my party is the party of the American people doing what they do on an individual basis day in and day out. It's not flashy and heroic but it's what we got.

Mike, you are right regarding sheep and wolves. It will be interesting when the "sheep" need help from the "wolves" to survive because they have ALLOWED their rights to be taken away one by one.

The "people" need higher standards.

My plan is to keep trying to vote for the candidate most likely to withdraw from Iraq while minimizing U.S. casualties, shift the tax burden from the working middle-class on to the heiresses and trustafarians whose sloth seems to prioritize them for relief whenever Republicans get power, protect individual liberty from any threat including corporate, theocratic and parochial, and otherwise recognize and respect the value of American labor.

Regardless of party affiliation - though there's a lot more Democrats I'd vote against than Republicans I'd vote for. I've voted for both in the past, for Libertarians, Greens, and Independents. I'll write in a third-party candidate's name in if Pennsylvania's anti-ballot access policies bump them from the ballot.

"'THIS is all about SLAVERY by God! This CNP is just about putting 'em in the backs of buses, whites only restaurants, water fountains and restrooms, cottonfields and hog farms.

You Johnny Rebs ain't foolin' US!'"

THAT is a pretty good description of what the movement they glorify was ultimately about. Why lionize it if they don't think it's an impressive list of accomplishments? You've said it yourself, they'd have better luck getting into office and actually setting policy if they didn't wrap their platform up in a "heritage" many Americans associate with racism or treason or both.

Of course, had the North handled the end of the Civil War correctly and tried and executed every Southerner who lent support, material or otherwise, to the conspiracy to commit mass treason, the traitors wouldn't have stayed ensconced in civil society, re-infiltrated the Southern governments and continued to wage their war against the American principle of individual liberty. Needless decades of Blacks denied the vote and other basic freedoms, "the back of the bus," so to speak, because of the North's compassion for domestic enemies.

I've been thinking about this conversation a lot, particularly as I commute to work. It's about a half-hour drive, and it takes me past a small town where, back right before the Civil War, Quakers would help blacks escaping slavery hide from warrant agents.

If the North was intruding on the South, then why were men and women forced to hide in Pennsylvania? Because the South and their federal allies intruded on Pennsylvania's right to prohibit slavery within its own borders, turning those Quakers into criminals.

Now, even though you LOVE to bring up the past when you think it validates your craziness, you're probably about to ramble off about how this is all irrelevant history.

Except as long as I have the example those Quakers set, I never have to choose between the UN or the evil incarnate that is the confederacy and its glorification. I can still choose the Quakers.

Who says we are nothing more than slaves in 2008---ALL of us? We work to pay our Government so they can waste tons of money on crap and bail outs of this one and that one. We have NO say in any of it. They do not listen to us. This is not a "free" nation! We operate with certain "freedoms" but we really are not "free." At least in Russia and Cuba they know what they are dealing with. We have no idea here. We are slaves to a lost Government. It has been "lost" for a long time.

Mike has lived in MH for a long time. You do not even live here yet you comment on things that are going on here. Can we please check the "crazy" comments at the door. They are not very nice and can damage someone. These are just opinions----and everyone has a right to their own opinion. It is one of the "freedoms" we are still allowed unless our local paper feels it necessary to delete a comment for whatever reason they feel is "just" in their eyes. Live and let live already.

Wow, Opinion Missy, I guess this class Bradbury is teaching ain't reading comprehension, since I haven't made one reference to Mountain Home or Idaho issues. Instead, I've been setting the record straight against his vicious slurs of the North.

By the way, does Bradbury live here in the northeast? Has he ever? Are you gonna him on that in response to his ignorant ramblings about "Northern" motives and history? No, you're far too conservative NOT to be a hypocrite.

But hey, I wouldn't want to be less than "nice" to someone making excuses for the KILLING OF U.S. SOLDIERS.

Truth be told, Missy, I see no reason why people who try to justify or rationalize away treason shouldn't be "damaged." Of course, everyone has the right to their own opinion, and I still have to the right to call out someone like Bradbury when his "opinion" is the glorification of treason and parochial fascism.

My comment regarding Idaho was directed at the fact that you do not even live here yet you make comment after comment on our paper regarding a MH resident. Not that you cannot do that mind you but do you not have your own dragons to slay where you live? Do you not have a local paper, in your area, that you can comment to? Do you have no life where you live?

As for me being a conservative, I guess that is true. Our Government should be accountable. It is the least we can ask for for the dirt bags that hold office in the name of the "people."

Get off your soap box already. Have you nothing better to do? Really. Just be glad you do not live here and log off.

I can't believe YOU have the gall to tell someone else to get off their soapbox: what a paradox! You know who you are.

ayrewolf,

WAKE UP.your roots are showing... you are a YANKEE!!!!!!

Now go and tell us all about "how you spent summers" in Alabama.... but face it..... YOUR IMMEDIATE roots are Northern......

One other thing........ how come your dad "A Marine" was stationed at an Air Force Base, "Hill Air Force Base"........

And they could fly all five of 'em up five different flagpoles at the same time, it was still a movement whose central messages were empowering state and local governments to deny specific individuals liberty and denying the federal government recourse to protect individual liberty on American soil.

And of course they want me to shut up and go away, Mr. Mister - that's the conservative/CNP level of commitment to free speech right there. I guess it beats attempting to match my example of how the South, using the FSA, forced its values on Northern states with any examples of this mythical "Northern intrusion" on Southern states.

Instead, we get flag trivia. And someone pointing out I left Mountain Home for the places and people Bradbury and his buddy are dishonestly maligning.

I just think if you're going to rail against UN plotting to replace the U.S. government with a new order that holds liberty in contempt, than at least compare them to the movement that wanted to replace the U.S. government with a new confederate order that held the liberties of black Americans in contempt. Don't compare the UN to the U.S. soldiers who stood in that movement's way.

Well thank God that the CNP just amounts to a bunch of near-do-wells that will never accomplish anything. Kinda like the current polititians. They talk alot. Accomplish nothing. Want to impose their will on others. AyreWolf is a perfect example of the CNP. There has been no meetings here, it's all BS.

Ex,

My comment about the "soapbox" was directed towards an individual with whom since, I have established (albeit tentative)a rapport. I am not advocating your stance in the least.

ayre,

So I ask again, where was this rally held? I didn't hear anything about it except for you saying you were heading up to Boise for it? And then we all heard about the turnout and "new enlistees". Was it advertised?

Oh,,,so the rally was held and "reported" by someone. It wasn't really "advertised". Seems to me, if someone is looking for publicity, they would advertise in advance. But then, those "enlistees" must have just come out of the groundwork. Sounds a little fishy to me