Council delays church proposal

Thursday, February 17, 2011

A church's plan to convert an existing building into a new ministry headquarters faced a setback Monday evening as the city council voted to send the proposal back to the city's planning and zoning commission.

The conditional use permit submitted by the No-Limits Christian Ministries seeks to convert the former Salvation Army building at 535 N. Main St. into a church and counseling center.

The city planning and zoning commission had previously recommended approving the church's plans. However, the commission attached four conditions the ministry needed to meet for final approval.

Reviewing that recommendation, Mayor Tom Rist remained "perplexed" on how the planning and zoning commission approved the permit without resolving those issues.

"Normally when we get an application like this, they're at least partially resolved," the mayor said.

Limited parking next to the planned church remained a key point the city council addressed Monday evening.

Under the current ordinance, the ministry needs 71 parking spaces for the 282 people the building can fully accommodate. The facility has enough space for just 23 vehicles, according to city officials.

Clark Williams, senior pastor for the Christian church, emphasized that the church has a written agreement with Airman Pawn to use a section of its parking lot for additional church parking. In addition, the church expected to have a formal agreement from the Albertson's headquarters on Tuesday.

In his comments to church representatives, Councilman Geoff Schroeder urged them to file joint use agreements from both businesses at the county courthouse. Without those binding agreements, those businesses could "come back tomorrow and say 'no' to those plans, making them null and void." That would leave the church without the necessary parking spaces, Schroeder said.

Councilwoman Alain Isaac emphasized that the church wouldn't comply with the parking ordinance until it files those joint-use agreements.

Meanwhile, questions surfaced at Monday's meeting on the number of people already using the facility.

In recent weeks, the church received a certificate of occupancy from city building officials to use the facility for limited counseling services. The agreement stressed the building wouldn't accommodate actual church services until the city council approved the conditional use permit, said city building official Mike McCain.

At no time did the city give the church approval to use the building for religious services, McCain added.

However, whether the church abided by that agreement was called into question after members of the city council reported seeing nearly 30 cars parked in front of the Salvation Army building with another 40 vehicles parked in the Albertson's parking lot Sunday morning.

Questions on the maximum number of people served during one of the counseling sessions raised other issues between the church and city representatives. From his perspective, McCain said a counseling session would normally handle no more than 20 people.

However, Williams argued that the church's form of Christian counseling can sometimes include more than 100 people. In fact, the church converted one room into a multi-purpose area for this type of large-scale counseling.

"Regardless of the nature of the counseling, the issue here is the number of people in the building," Schroeder told the church representatives.

In addition to the parking issue, the crosswalks over North Main and North 2nd streets remained another concern at Monday's council meeting. Both roads serve as main traffic arteries through the city's downtown area.

According to McCain, the Idaho Department of Transportation may have issues having dozens of people crossing those roads at the same time each week. In his defense, Williams said only a handful of cars pass through that area on Sunday mornings.

The planning and zoning commission expects to readdress the church permit during a public meeting at 6 p.m. on March 7.

In other discussions at Monday's meeting, the city council voted to allocate $2.5 million toward plans to improve the city's water distribution system. The initiative follows a recent water rate increase to help cover the costs associated with building a new water storage tank on the north side of the interstate and upgrading the existing water distribution system.

The water project represents an "ordinary necessity" for Mountain Home, said Councilman Richard Urquidi.

During the meeting Public Works Director Wayne Shepherd outlined proposals ranging from $1.7 to $3.9 million to get the water transmission line upgrade project moving forward.

City engineers remain cautiously optimistic they can use an existing water culvert running beneath the interstate to tie into an existing water tank on the north side of the interstate, Shepherd said. Running the needed 24-inch water line through the existing culvert represents a significant cost-saving step, he added.

However, before it can move ahead with that plan, the city needs to check with the irrigation district to ensure it has an easement that would allow the city to use the culvert, Shepherd said.

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  • Someone is have difficulty with numbers. "The facility has enough space for just 23 vehicles, according to city officials." but, "However, whether the church abided by that agreement was called into question after members of the city council reported seeing nearly 30 cars parked in front of the Salvation Army building with another 40 vehicles parked in the Albertson's parking lot Sunday morning." I know seven isn't a large number but we need to be more accurate than that.

    -- Posted by jtrotter on Thu, Feb 17, 2011, at 9:06 AM
  • Does this mean that there are, at times, up to 100 people being counseled in a group format? Sounds like a church service to me.

    -- Posted by CuriousParents on Thu, Feb 17, 2011, at 9:20 AM
  • I think it's a bad location for a church, I see a traffic jam or accident waiting to happen. Not only that but the portion of Albertson's parking lot in question is already used by other organizations. I hope the city takes this in consideration, I'm sure there are many other abandoned buildings to use.

    -- Posted by pursuitofhappy on Fri, Feb 18, 2011, at 6:50 AM
  • well assuming they had a church service gets you no where. I drove by the new morman temple and saw a bunch of cars there 2 saturdays ago. I assumed it was a church service, hoping to get some spiritual guidance, i walked in and saw that there was a bunch of people just hanging out playing basketball!! imagine what i felt like...... The saying is true about assuming.. I took the liberty to better my marrage last year at a Marrage conference in boise held at the Double Tree it was a christian event and there was thousands of people there. Not once did anyone say it was a church service. And they counciled each and every couple in that place.. amazing... Familylife.com look it up could help some of you out there.

    -- Posted by Mtnhomian on Wed, Feb 23, 2011, at 6:14 PM
  • Mtnhomian the new Mormon church is a church not a temple, the Mormon temple is located in Boise.

    As for the new church in Mtn Home, I think they rushed into this a bit fast before having all their ducks in a row. That is a very busy intersection and I would hate to see someone get hurt. A counseling service for a 100 people doesn't sound like counseling, it sounds like a worship service to me. If I want counseling I want it to be personal.

    -- Posted by midgetsbear on Fri, Feb 25, 2011, at 12:45 PM
  • Sorry bud. I didn't know the difference I'm not mormon so I had it all confused. As far as counseling goes, unless you have been around or know anything about it other than what you see on tv, it would be easy to again assume that all counseling should be on a one to one basis. You also have to look at what's being counseled at that time. As far as traffic issues go, I have been in mtn. Home all my life and I have never seen an accident there before. I have never even seen the downtown streets of mountain home full of traffic. I'd be excited to see more than 10 to 15 cars on that main street moving at once. I'm not trying to take sides I'm just saying mountain home never allows anything to come into the city. Cabelas,taco bell, applebees anything. I wonder why???? Cause of traffic issues or business competition... I think their all lame excuses!

    -- Posted by Mtnhomian on Sat, Feb 26, 2011, at 3:50 PM
  • sounds like the city of mountain home is trying to micro-manage everything.

    -- Posted by biggin9900 on Mon, Feb 28, 2011, at 5:40 PM
  • To all the individuals who are hating on this church, I will pray for you. Because the Lord knows you all need some prayers and guidance.

    -- Posted by Truely Amazed on Wed, Mar 9, 2011, at 9:08 AM
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