I wonder just what is being taught in some homes????

Buckshot, could you do me a favor? Please use the term "the" as opposed to "you". I would hardly consider myself a member of the left. I have been an equal opportunity basher lately.

You might read an article on Fox about a radio announcer who used both racial slurs and derogatory statements to a female elected official.

Now that might make you wonder about hate and resentment.

A couple other surprises there too.

I don't think that you lean left Roy. I do think that we all get a little unbalanced sometimes with the weight of the world. Each of us seem to have some unique ideas as to how we can rectify the woes of the world.

Again, Roy, remember your 12 Steps and who is really in control of the chaos.

Buckshot, I do disagree with you about the parents having that much to do with this. This type behavior is either taught or condoned in the home from a very early age.

Thanks for the input both of you. As I explained to Buckshot, my experiences with Big business left a very foul taste in my mouth. I also expressed my support for the small and medium sized businesses that are indeed the economic engine of this country.

Small and medium sized businesses do not have the means to buy our government that Big businesses do.

I will plead guilty to supporting larger government in some areas, such as a large expansion in the number of ICE agents. 20,000 spread out over 50+ countries is simply not enough, and Posse Comitatus prevents deployment of active duty armed troops within our country unless Martial law is declared, and I sure as heck don't want that!

Any day I'm alive and working is a GOOD day. Both of you have a good day.

Roy

Here is my couple cents on part of this. I'm not going to comment on left or right, but just go directly to right or wrong! Buckshot, I agree with alot of what you on alot of these blogs. But I'm going to vehemently disagree on that parents were not to blame in this. There are a few nuances here that can be addressed. AND I'm going to disagree with Roy, in that he says that type of behavior is either taught, or condoned. Though for sure it can be. But maybe it was never addresseed at all.

It still surprises me that we even HAVE a racial 'thing' going on. What the heck! It offends ME to the core that there is still such ignorance displayed by folks who otherwise appear to have a brain!

Parents can/should/would/ do have a a dramatic affect on their chidren if they so choose. Some do not. That in itself, should be punishable by law.

I have thought about it, and I can not remember actually hearing my folks talk about how 'think/believe' about races. So, how did I get to be an adult who thinks we are all equal? By example, I'd have to say. I can't ever remember seeing my folks demean/slur/diminish anyone for race/creed/wealth/poverty/obesity/crooked teeth/black hair/blond hair/no hair/too much hair.... you get the point.

That's not the only thing. If they treated someone with respect, that was that. I was also raised to NEVER EVER go against their wishes, and I NEVER EVER wanted to let them down. I did from time to time, and depending on the offence, I might get grounded, but I might get my behind spanked. And I KNEW it.

These days of both parents working (I'm not making excuses) they some are not present in their children's lives. Those parents might be overall good....but how much chance/time did they have to lead by example? Hopefully, they were mortified, though it doesn't sound like they were.

The kids that did it may have had parents that do condone such behavior. What a horrible way for those kids to be raised. They can stop that behavior, but in all likelihood, they won't. Those cycles are near impossible to change. I see it all the time. But every now and then, I do see a kid say "I'm going to be different" and go off and do just that. It's a great thing to see

Buckshot, you did do things that you shouldn't have done. Even though you knew your folks would be mad. BUT there were things you would have NEVER EVEN CONSIDERED, no matter the peer pressure. I'll lay money on it. Hopefully, what those kids did, would have been one of those things that no peer pressure of any kind could have made you sink so low. I think I'd lay money on it.

I've gone on a bit, as I tend to do when I feel strongly about something. But my point is, that yes, Parents have a responsibility to raise a child that the world can be proud of. Help them grow up and be the person that they CAN be. I see so many things happen to a child that you know that at that moment, they have lost a bit of what potential they should have been able to achieve. It's corny, but we are supposed to "raise them up!" Make them proud! Make them want to be the best, while knowing others can be too.

Just simply tell them, "You did good!" "I'm proud of you" "You can do it" And then turn to the person next to you, and treat them with the utmost respect, walk away from a fight, don't be negative, don't thro mud, sling names,

DON'T PUT OTHERS DOWN TO MAKE YOURSELVES FEEL SUPERIOR. That is what happened. Because they didn't feel proud enough to do it any other way.

My 3 year old grandson will take every inch any adult gives him and make 5 or 6 yards out of it. He "knows" when to push everybody's button to get his way. He screams at his mother because SHE screams at him.

He and I are working on getting around all of that, and I can use tone of voice or a simple "STARE" to get him to pay attention (which he's doing ANYWAY) and that drives the rest of our world NUTS.

We have a code, he and I, and I still smack his tail end if I feel the need. Sure, he'll pout and mope and stick that lower lip out, but it's only because he knows I know. And he KNOWS when I MEAN BUSINESS.

His folks insist I get a special hug and kiss every time they leave, but he can pause at the door and give me a "thumb up" signal and a wink and we both KNOW things are good.

And then I can go back to trying to figure out how to stay a millimeter ahead of him tomorrow....:-)

ROY.....FOR ME....ths incident as written about shows behavior that is condoned within that community.The parents in this case in my opinion let there children and our society down.There coach and mentor clearly did also.Based on how this was written I would have to say,that the person there to maintain order also showed blantant disrespect for himself,the parents and the children.THE VICTIMS should be commended as obviously there coach had control and the di

scipline to keep his people in check.

The children who created this incident knew that they could get away with it,otherwise they would not have done it,that is a great motivator.The fact that the parents sat in the stands and laughed says a lot.The ground work for this incident in my opinon started at home.

I wonder what would have been said if those kids who were victimizd had reacted badly.Would we have then blamed them for THE incident.THE feeling that nothing was going to happen to them allowed these kids to act out and nothing did except the other team probally ran the score up on them.

Something that bothers me is we seem to have a rational of why ,but no condemnation....CJW talks of the traumer he suffered....that should illustrate the long lasting affects of and incident like this on the perpetrators and the victims.This is a loose loose.How the president shares any blame here or sweeping these problems under the rug will help solve them beats me but to each his own.

As a person who coached for a lot of years,baskeball,softball,foorball.....come monday I would have probally had a new team or got fired.That is not what we should be teaching our children.Believe me my kids would tell you that.FOR those who a wondering if the tables had been reversed I would react and feel the same way.For me we cant do anything about us but we sure as heck dont have to pass it on to the kids.

I will share this.....I have 17 grandkids AND THEY LOOK LIKE THE RAINBOW....WHEN THE FAMILY IS TOGETHER WE ONLY HEAR AND SEE KIDS GIGGLING WE WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY AND WE WORK HARD TO DO THAT....WE REMIND OURSELFS EVERYDAY THAT WE SET THE TONE FOR THE FUTURE.THEY DO KNOW WE ALL BLEED RED............WH67 we cant but we try like heck!!!!!!!!

Buck ..I agree! I guess what I should have said was that parents can & should be a good influence ... but can unfortunately also the opposite, as you experienced.

Thanks for reply ... I believe we are in agreeance. (Made up a word)

I forgot to thank you for Congratulations! My married is now. LEHTO. Tho I think I may hyphenate for awhile. So, try Clark - Lehto during transition. How's that for throwing in a wrench?

Ha!

WELL CJW HOW AND WHAT WOULD YOU CALL IT SEEING HOW YOUR PREMISE IS THAT IT DIDNT HIT THE PAPER AND A CRIME WAS COMITTED TO WHICH I AGREE SO TELL USD WHAT YOU CALL IT AND THEN I CANT OFFEND YOU.AND YES I CONSIDER EVERY UNPROVOKED RACIAL INCIDENT TRAUMATIC TO SOMEONE. YOU SEE I DONT CONSIDER IT THAT IS THE WAY IT IS. AND YES IT MADE ME STRONGER.THAT 'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU SURVIVE AND SUCCED ANYHOW....THAT'S THE POINT. SOME DONT.I COULD TAKE TIME AND EXPLAIN SOME THINGS TO YOU BUT YOU SEEM TO THINK THAT YOU HAVE THE SAME EXSPERIENCES I HAVE RACIALLY......SIMPLY PUT YOU DONT.!!!! AND NEVER WILL.....SO JUST TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT ME TO CALL IT AND GO AWAY.

BUCKSHOTT THANKS FOR SHARING A VERY PRIVATE PART OF YOU......I have people in my family that feel the same way and voice it readly..it is one of the reason I dont visit new york....I dont want a dailey diet of it.AS I was trying to point out it only takes one incident,HAVE THAT REINFORCED AND YOUR OFF AND RUNNING HARD TO BREAK THE CYCLE......I guess I was lucky I was not fully exsposed to the garbage until I WAS IN MY LATE TEENS...WERE I GREW UP IN BROOKLYN WAS A TOTALY INTERACIAL ENVIROMENT.....THE SHAME IS THE MOST OVERT RACISM I EXPERIENCED I WAS IN UNIFORM THAT REALLY STUNG. ANYHOW YOU BECOME BIGGER THE MORE PEOPLE FROM THE WORLD YOU MEET.....THANKS FOR SHARING......LATTER

The coach needs to be fired along with the Principal

CJW .......DO AS YOU PLEASE BE AS INSULTING AS YOU WANT,BE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO BE ......YOU DONT WALK IN MY SHOES,YOU DONT GET TREATED AS I DO AND YOU SUFFER NOT THE DAILY GARBAGE AND I DONT CARE IF YOU LIKE THAT OR NOT......IT IS ALIVE AND WELL YOU WANT ME TO SWEEP IT UNDER THE RUG.DONT TALK ABOUT IT,IT WILL GO AWAY.....I WISH I DONT KNOW ABOUT YOU.......CALL ME OUT !!!!!!!!! THAT.S A JOKE......WHY DONT YOU CALL OUT THE PEOPLE THAT CONTINUE TO USE RACIST TERMS,HIRE BASED ON RACE FIRE BASED ON THE SAME,MAKE LOANS BASED ON RACE DONT MAKE THEM BASED ON THE SAME,WONT SELL A HOUSE TO A MINORITY,OR ONLY IN A CERTAIN AREA,SCHOOLS THAT DONT ADMITE BASED ON THAT CRITERIA,WILL NOT BUY FROM A MINORITY WILL NOT GO IN THERE BUSINESS,ASSUME THEY ALL DEAL DRUGS,STEAL,ARE LAZY,DONT WORK I COULD GO ON BUT YOU KNOW ALL THESE THINGS DONT you......call me out.....CALL OUT YOURSELF......IT WOULD MAKE NO DIFFERENCE HOW I RELATED SOMETHING YOU WOULD ATTEMPT TO TWIST IT ......SO TWIST AND I AM NOT A DUDE.....NO MORE THAN THE PRESIDENTS A BUM.....ID RATHER BE A BUM THAN A ....LYING, KILLER OF MEN FOR POLITICAL GAIN......TO BAD CJW......WORST THINGS COULD'V HAPPENED OR THEY COULD HAPPEN A LITTLE AT A TIME EVERY DAY OF YOUR LIFE.....THINK ABOUT THAT.

I think that the most humiliating words I heard growing up when my parents said my entire name when they were disappointed in me.

We raised our kids with the same principals that we grew up with. However, somewhere there is the little thing called agency. They are their own persons and past a certain age, they have to be accountable for their own actions.

I think the word racist is over-used--disagreeing with someone doesn't make you a racist. Nor being a certain color doesn't make you a racist.

Human nature dictates that we tend to stay close to the people that we are most familiar with.

Lumping a group of individuals together as being cut from the same cloth is racist.

What I don't understand and I am sure that Lamont will correct me- is how any person who has had the benefit of education, financial success or the fortitude to overcome adversity can be discriminated against or scorned by someone of their own religion, ethnic background simply because their views are conservative.

I still believe and will continue to do so that you cannot lump people together and label them.

If we can all open a doorway where a brick wall has already been built---We might be surprised as to where it may lead us.

Some days are hard-hat days and the liquid by-product of birds falls on your head like a steady rain.

We just have to put our red sweaters on and our most comfortable slippers like Mr. Rogers and invite our neighbors in.

When the grown=ups get their act together, the children will follow.

that concludes my theories on life for today. Goodnight everyone.

BUCKSHOT ......MOST OF THE NUMBERS THERE ARE TRUE BUT SOME ARE NOT.....AND WHAT IS THERE HASNT GOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT HAPPENS TO ME AS AND INDIVIDUAL.......aS FAR AS HISTORY GOES BUCHANANS facts are not entirely true.....The slave trade destroyed the empires of Mali and Songhai....both centers of learning and advanced civilization.slavery created a group of people that was desenfranchised from the things that hold society's together..LET us not forget that a slave who could read died and the person that taught them.Do not put aside jim crow laws and descrimination that is still there today.I hold no advocacy for those who wish to not advance, but do not place everyone in that barrell.Do not try to say thru this everything is ok it is not. That MAY BE your thought.THE president is not responsible to Buchcanan.I dont need nor do I ask for favor, I demand to be treated the same in all things, That SHOULDNT mean I have to be better than to be the same as AND THE FACT THAT THAT DOES HAPPEN CREATES THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE.KEEP THE PLAYING FIELD LEVEL THOSE WHO WANT TO ADVANCE WILL THOSE WHO DONT WILL FALL BY THE WAYSIDE.BELIEVE ME SOME OF US ARE VERY WORRIED.SOMETIMES IT IS LIKE OUR STRUGGLE WAS FOR NAUGHT....THE YOUNGER GENERATION CERTAINLY DOESNT SEEM TO UNDERSTAND IT.WE CERTAINLY DONT KNOW WERE THERE HEADS ARE AT.AND BEAR IN MIND I AM TALKING ABOUT THE GROUP 30 AND YOUNGER.. I AM PART OF THE GROUP THAT WAS THE STRUGGLE DOB 1942 I LIVED WHAT THEY ARE USING AS AND ALIBI.....IT DOESNT MAKE ME HAPPY......BUCHANANS TIRADE REFLECTS THAT 30 AND YOUNGER GROUP.....IT CERTAINLY NOT REFLECTIVE OF MY AGE GROUP AT ALL..... ANYHOW GOT TO GO LATTER

Wow, I finally get to see the action.

I've heard excuses for comments like this, but really, there are none.

It's almost funny, but not

BUCKSHOT......I DONT ANSWER TO YOU OK....NOR AM I GOING TO spend my day on this.....you are attempting to justify those kids actions.....you cant......IF pat buchnans numbers are gospel for you so BE it.....my point which you attempt to put aside is DONT TRY TO TREAT ME AS LESS THAN....AND WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO IS JUSTIFY THAT TREATMENT.

I CANT HELP YOU KH GAL.......I am not a wall to wall liberal and have suffered some scorn myself.I am about right and wrong,IF THAT WRONG HAS A RACIAL OVERTONE I WILL SAY SO. What some want to say is it doesnt happen which is not true,example the police officers question.....how long I lived here is inappropriate AND OUTSIDE THE PERVIEW OF A TRAFFIC STOP so why was it asked?????? FOR ME IT RAISES A RED FLAG.....if you are a conservative IT should for you also....do your job and do it by the book.how long I lived here is not his business,and every piece of information I gave him matched...AFTER 40 YRS IT SHOULD.

The conservative mantra in the black community is about someone who doesnt want progress,doesnt see the struggle because they succedsd and a host of other things that is garbage.In some respect it is jealosie in my opinion.There are people here who would consider that to be me,I have been accused of it.I really dont care...like I said I lived the struggle and put the ball in there court what they do with it is the problem.............back to you Buckshot dont attempt to put us all in your ONE SIZE FITS ALL BOX.....AND I DONT CARE THAT YOU DONT LIKE ME SAYING NOT TRUE FOR MY AGE GROUP...I DONT HAVE ANYTHING TO PROVE AND PAT BUCHANAN IS NO SOCIAL SCIENTIST EXPERT......SO YOU ARE GOING WITH HIM BECAUSE HE SAID WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR....IF WHAT THOSE KIDS DID WAS A PRANK AND WE SHOULD LET IT GO AS THAT WHAT WILL YOU CALL A LYNCHING????????

KH GAL .....I KINDA BLEW YOU OFF ....SORRY.....

I THINK THIS WILL clear this up..there is a feeling that if you made it that you sold out.I THINK THAT COMES FROM A FRUSTRATION OF PLAYING BY THE RULES BUT STILL GETTING NOWHERE.I UNDERSTOOD WHEN I GOT READY TO RETIRE THAT I WOULD NOT GET HIRED IN THIS TOWN SO I DID THINGS TO PRPARE TO RETIRE....I did things that could not be stoped by and individual...I bought houses,and 3 othere businesses.The objective was not to have to ask anyone for anything.NOW I WAS PREPARED FOR THAT AS SOMEONE WHO HAD TO LIVE BY THE RULES FOR 28 YRS. The key i feel was and understanding that all rules were not designed to get in my way and how to navigate the system.

The part that bothered me was the alienation I felt from some parts of the black community.As someone who had fought discrimination tooth and nail IT WAS NOT A PLEASANT REVELATION.SOON I RECOGNIZED IT FOR WHAT IT WAS,part envy and part jeoulosy what really bothered me was when I reached out and said I can help you if you listen and the refusal by some to do that......at that point YOU become the SCAPEGOAT for there FAILURE.

I feel that is why for the most part conservatives are look at with disdain.ALSO there seems to be a harsh overtone to conservative principals and how they are presented,the no nononsense approach works for some not all.yOU CANNOT attack peoples dignity no matter that you dont see it that way.IT'S kinda like I wear a shirt and a tie and if you dont you are less than that doesnt work never has and never will.EXAMPL.....I wont go to certain events without a suit on.That is the way I was raised it took awhile and I still dont do it, to get in touch with this dont dress at any cost society we live in.iT MIGHT SET ME APART BUT I AM STILL WHO I AM.A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES DONT SEEM TO SEE IT THAT WAY.....AND TO BE CONSERVATIVE OR A LIBERAL DOES NOT MEAN THAT EVERY IDEAL EITHER ONE PUTS UP IS NECCESARILY THE RIGHT ONE......IT IS ALWAYS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE........I HOPE THAT CLARIFYS IF IT DOESNT LET ME KNOW.....I WILL ANSWER......HAVE A GOOD DAY

I can say I was discriminated against once by a company I worked for. I took them to court and won.

I'm sure many of you have been discriminated against at least once in your life. How did it feel?

I am sure lamont has been discriminated many more times then anyone else on these blogs. He is 70 years old and if he wants to talk about racism in this country that is fine with me. It still goes on every day, some where. It is clear to me that he has been hurt deeply and still has the scars that will always be with him.

Please try to understand

MsM:

I am sure that everyone does understand Lamont's pain. It doesn't discount us having our own opinions.

All of us at one time or another haved faced some type of discrimination. It hurts, but you go on and try to expect good things from people.

No One has a monopoly on discrimination. It happens, some people are stupid. In this day and age, there is far more tolerance for many issues concerning minorities. And the help that is available to them when they need it.

Some days, it don't pay to even get out of bed.

KH GAL

Can you show me some understanding posts directed at lamont on here? If their here, I'm not seeing them, maybe I have over looked them..... I don't always read everything word for word.

Your having a problem with getting out of bed? I had a problem getting out of bed today not mentally but physically...

I got up anyways :)

True true Bonnie

Willing & not poke and goad.

Thanks Zook I know you and lamont are buddies.

START HERE WWW.nytimes/2009/05/13/healthe/13mothers.htm

YOU HAVE YOUR MIND MADE UP SO WHY ARE YOU ASKING?????????

YOU MIGHT WANT TO CHECK wwwamericanvalues.org/html/out-of-wedlock-births-html

MsM

I was only joking about getting out of bed in the morning.

Lamont:

I will say this again. I would be honored to shake your hand any day of the week. Heck, I would even give you a hug, if you let me.

Sometimes is is hard to get past a person's brick wall of hurt and see what is really going on.

My heart gets sore when I think about any hurt that I may have inflicted upon somebody.

Growing up in Idaho, we didn't have any black people living in our area. We didn't come into contact with them unless we went to Mtn. Home.

When I moved to Missouri, it was a real eye-opener about all the different perspectives that each ethnic group has. I have met some fantastic people and some really bad ones.

I have had friends whose political and religious view were as far south as mine were north. I loved them anyway, because I could see their heart. And they love me too.

I think that is what is wrong today. We don't take the time to see someone's heart. We assume that everyone is out to get us. Why? because the world has gone mad with greed and selfishness.

People are killed over tennis shoes or for some type of thrill.

No one can right the wrongs done to us except those who have hurt you in the first place. They are really a small minority when you look at the big picture.

We may never get to hear the words we most want to hear from those who humiliated us. But if you keep your ears and heart open, 10 more people will come forward to give you joy in your life.

The challenge for us is to discern who want us to do well and who is seeking to destroy our peace of mind.

What keeps me going most days, is the knowledge that God is in control. This may be hard to believe some days when you are hanging by your fingernails. (mine are pretty short). We may live through some dark days, but there is always a light at the end of the tunnel. Keep walking.

BUCKSHOT.......THEN YOU DIDNT READ THEM...ONE POINT AT A TIME..... OUT OF WED BIRTH....CLEARLY DIFFERENT NUMBERS SO I DONT KNOW WHAT YOU READ.

AND SOME HISTORY AS FAR AS YEARS

KHGAL.....AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is why I am here 1 bad 10 good works everytime....smile

BUCKSHOT I AM AWARE OF OTHER OPINIONS ......READ THE ARICLES FROM THE SOURCES THEY ARE THERE FOR ONE ACCUSATION AT A TIME........LIKE I SAID FOR THE 30 AND BELOW CROWD HE IS PROBALLY RIGHT ON SOME. FOR THOSE IN MY AGE GROUP SORRY THEREFOR YOU SHOULD NOT BE PUTTING ALL IN THE SAME BASKET