Good For "YOU" , But Not For "ME"

Posted Thursday, June 2, 2011, at 9:54 AM

Coming back frm Boise yesterday, I was listening to Nate Shelman, who was doing a live chat with listeners (on both sides) about the new state law down in Florida that will make you pass a drug test before you're allowed to draw social security and other kindred benefits.

Man.....I think they should do that in ALL FIFTY!

The ACLU of course, doesn't like it, and will probably do what they do best...........sue ANYTHING they don't agree with.

The ACLU (American CRIMINAL Liberties Union), was started by a pair of COMMUNISTS--------check it out for YOUSELVES, "lefties."..........and they are now saying that forcing people to have to submit to drug tests to recieve these "government benefits"......(they conveniently "forget" that this is TAXPAYER money)......is somehow "de-humanizing and degrading.".......unquote.

Now.........figure THIS..........most JOBS (dirty word to some), you have ever, or WILL ever apply for.........REQUIRE that YOU pass that same drug test before they'll HIRE you.

YOU have to pass a drug test just to MAKE the money for these welfare pro's to LIVE on..........but it's somehow below THEIR DIGNITY to have to pass that same test before they can RECEIVE these "freebies" from YOU!

YOU'RE REQUIRED...........but THEY AREN'T........and it's YOU that they're living off of. And the ACLU is running around like a rabid dog, because something like this is "so humiliating!"

Were it up to ME, I'd even take it a step FURTHER........I'D make it a law that you had to pass a drug test before you could VOTE....and you had to have a very current certification card from a doctor when you walked into the polls.

THAT ALONE, would probably take care of our "term limits" debate.

Yes.....that would be ONE MORE NEW LAW.........and I HATE the thought of even MORE regulations, but it would be for the good of the country if only "clear-thinking" people were allowed to cast ballots that affect EVERYBODY.

Haven't you ever looked at a senator or congressman, after he's been in there awhile, and asked yourself..........who voted THIS clown in?......a bunch of DRUG ADDICTS??

Well.............MAYBE!

They used to hit us up for mandatory urine tests all the time in the service..........and for the civilian jobs later...........I never found that "de-meaning".......I mean, if you aren't doing drugs, you've got nothing to sweat.

If you ARE..........the taxpayers SHOULDN'T have to help "pay for your habits."

Boenner's always looking for places to cut back and save some taxpayer bucks..........I wonder if HE's thought of that.....maybe I need to drop him an E-Mail!

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I'm 50-50 on this one zook. The Fla law is a good start, but has loopholes as well. IF you test pos for drugs, you can designate a "clean" family member to recieve the same bennies on YOUR behalf? Really?

Also, while the ACLU tends to disgust me, they are also a huge proponent of gun rights. They have done alot to maintain our "civil liberties" both good and bad. They also do a pretty good job of controlling some over zealous Gestapo police tactics.

-- Posted by sixguns on Thu, Jun 2, 2011, at 10:42 AM
Food for beer I guess is better than Food for Meth and a couple of billion for testing will work too, it will , ahhhh, oh heck lets give it ahhh another 40 plus years it will work then, it will really it will, yeah "Go Team"

-- Posted by Freedom on Thu, Jun 2, 2011, at 11:39 AM
The Welfare System should just be Canned, Trashed, Junked, and got rid of.

Last time I checked the Cost of Drug Testing was,,, for every 'One" Person the Drug Test Catches it costs an Avg of $73.000.00 dollars per Busted person per Broke Business and that was 10 years ago,

Drug Testing Everyone who Works or Not is just a waste of Money.

Far more people on welfare (food card) trade Food for Beer and Smokes than Drugs and I would love to See them Ban them

-- Posted by Freedom on Thu, Jun 2, 2011, at 12:49 PM
ACLU...Can't live with em, can't live without them. Pull a quick google on ACLU defends gun owner/rights, and you'll be surprised. They have been teaming up with the NRA lately on pleanty of cases. They back the "little guy" when he get's trampled on by big Gov. I don't agree with about half they do, but they have done alot to represent the trampled on. That's why they work hand-in-hand with the Libertarian Party.

BTW folks, in Fla, they are gonna make the Welfare recipient pay for the drug tests...

-- Posted by sixguns on Thu, Jun 2, 2011, at 5:17 PM
My father has struggled for chronic pain for over a decade and is now addicted to hydrocodone. He's paid for it out of his own pocket to the tune of about $1200 a month.

If he ever does end up on any sort of public assistance, a state mandatory drug test may be the only way he will ever be forced to confront his addiction. Intervention from his sons has not been successful, partly because of his mindset; he's not enjoying his drug use and he assumes true addicts do. He's afraid of the stigma attached to the word "addict".

If any applicant for aid submits to a drug test and tests positive for illegal drugs, they should be required to enter treatment as a condition of receiving aid. Would most of us agree with the assumption they'll stand a better chance of becoming fully productive if they're clean? Not only would the applicant benefit, but so would the applicants families and employers.

Certainly there are those who are hangers on the public dole, and we've got to have a manageable system that drops those applicants who do not comply with the requirements set forth as a condition of their continuing to receive aid.

However, in cases where a childs home, or the home of a handicapped dependent is headed by an applicant for aid who tests positive, I believe we must help that child or dependent if they can't depend on the head of their household.

-- Posted by DaveThompson on Fri, Jun 3, 2011, at 8:30 AM
As a side note, his hydrocodone is a prescribed medication that is not covered by Medicare nor his Medicare supplemental insurance, and he obtains it from a compounding pharmacist. His doctor prescribed the hydrocodone because the other products that deliver hydrocodone like Vicodin and Norco also contain acetaminophen. If he were to take either of those at dosages that would deliver effective relief, the acetaminophen would be toxic.

-- Posted by DaveThompson on Fri, Jun 3, 2011, at 9:45 AM
Right on.

If tax dollars are spent to help someone who is addicted to a legal or illegal drug, and that person is able to recover, and enter the workforce, we may have an opportunity to recover the cost of treating that persons addiction. Untreated addictions cost us more than the treatment.

But they must demonstrate an earnest effort at recovery while receiving benefits for themselves.

-- Posted by DaveThompson on Fri, Jun 3, 2011, at 10:24 AM
Besides, people can play the prescription drug system just like people can play the welfare system. Many people are addicted to prescribed drugs, and shop for doctors to maintain their access to their drug of choice. Who's to say they really need it? Tough question to answer.

-- Posted by DaveThompson on Fri, Jun 3, 2011, at 10:29 AM
Can a state, like Florida in this case, place exceptions on who receives Federal assistance like Social Security? Or does the law apply only to aid payments made by the state?

-- Posted by DaveThompson on Fri, Jun 3, 2011, at 10:52 AM
While I agree with some drug testing. You are working on the assumption that the biggest fraud is being committed by drug addicts.

There are people out there who make a great living defrauding the goverment that are not poor or disabled.

Having been on welfare myself years ago for about 9 mos during my divorce, I will say how hard it is to live with the govt knowing all of your business and how difficult it was to transition to a job.

What most people do not realize is that Welfare pays for any kookie seminar that you want go to and childcare too. However, when you start a job, they completely cut you off before you can get back on your feet. They will not help with childcare then, and they cut your foodstamps. If you are waiting 2-3 weeks for your first paycheck, imagine how hard and discouraging it is.

Now, that being said. I think that all entitlement programs should be revisited. How can we transition recipients to working jobs without cutting them off completely until they are back on their feet financially.

And by the way, you don't get all that much extra for each child that you might have in the way of actual dollars anymore.

I had two small children, $308.00 per month. my rent was $229.00, this did not include utilities or laundry, gas or any other extra expense. When my rent went up, my allowance did not.

It was with great pride that I earned my first steady paycheck and opened an account with the bank.

So, lets not be so broad in our judgements, but instead, go after the ones who do cheat the system to the full extent of the law.

I have never taken an illegal drug in my life, never drank much nor did I smoke. My biggest luxury during those years was having a telephone.

And most of my friends who were in the same boat did not abuse the system either, they worked on going to school or job training so that they could be independent. We just all helped each other with childcare and other things.

We see people in the store and we think how can they eat better than us? I would rather see someone get a steak than buying pop and junk food any day.

These are hard times and some people in the last couple years would never have dreamed on being on food stamps or asking for some kind of assistance. It is the ones whose mothers and grandmothers have been in the system with no idea that there is a better way that is killing us financially.

And illegals get "social security cards" and really rob our system blind.

And now, lets get to the real frauds. Have we demanded a drug screen for those who are running for office or those who are currently in office? How about the ones who take advantage of every perk known to man on our dime? They are the ones who deserve scrutiny first. Lets go from the top down this time and finally get somewhere.

Maybe if we demanded an accounting of each of our goverment officials expense reports to be made public, we can see where spending cuts could go including a 20% cut in pay right off the top for anyone elected to office. If we hurt, they need to also. After all they will go back to their private lives with all the monies that they have been holding in trust during their service and all the graft that they have collected through lobbyists.

-- Posted by KH Gal on Fri, Jun 3, 2011, at 11:47 AM
Good exchange of different experiences. Can't look at any issue through blinders.

-- Posted by DaveThompson on Fri, Jun 3, 2011, at 12:22 PM
THANKYOU KH GAL......i said the same things some months back and got told some things i would rather not go into.......great post and real exsperience.And yes i had solutions for these problems and you pointed them out again the welfare can be solved .....today ill say this one thing THE POLETICIANS DONT WANT IT SOLVED.

AGAIN THANKYOU

-- Posted by lamont on Fri, Jun 3, 2011, at 4:53 PM
POLITICIANS DONT WANT IT SOLVED.........I think both sides are grandstanding...simple cut some entitlements ,cut some subsidies,what is so hard about that??????????? so i think repubs and demos have there head in the sand.One side doesnt grandstand any more than the other.The size of government can be reduced by getting rid of the redundancy,deferred taxes on off shore profits is reduced,medicare verification is enforced.The ssi fund is set aside and not used as part of the general fund.illegal aliens recieve emergency treatment only and deported to country of origin.FORGIEN AID IS CAPPED and HOME GROWN EMERGENCY'S SUPERCED IT. HOME FIRST PERIOD.QUIT SELLING ADVANCED WEAPON SYSTEMS THAT ARE BEING REVERSED ENGINEERED AND RESOLD.......JUST A FEW THOUGHTS.........This whole thing can be solved when we get the ideaologs out of the picture.

IT CAN BE DONE.....GET OFF THE BLAME GAME

-- Posted by lamont on Fri, Jun 3, 2011, at 7:31 PM
I PERSONALLY DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT YOUR SAYING......I think that at this point it will not stop it is to easy considering we are comming up on and election.Some of the dought did grow as it came due for payment,lets just say it is time to say we need to pay this and move on.To do this both sides have got to stop the blame game and they dont want to, it is poletics.Throw something against the wall and see what sticks.

GOT mine also lost $50thousand went upside down i was afraid of that but i knew it was comming. NOT bad but enough to stop some things.WE ARE MOVING BUT IT IS SLOW......Here we are in and area that does not have major potential because of the lack of industry,We depend a lot on people who dont need to make a lot of money to come, well that only happens after they have made it .So home values for us are dependent on factores we have absolutly no control over.NOT GOOD......truthfully i dont know have to check that out.The only thing they want from us is TECHNOLOGY.IF THEY CANT BUY IT THEY WILL STEAL IT OR SOMEBODY WILL SELL IT TO THEM TO LIVE THE HI LIFE..........GREED

SEE YA LATTER

-- Posted by lamont on Fri, Jun 3, 2011, at 8:50 PM
We have to keep in mind that we are dealing with greed. Greed is rampant everywhere. And media encourages it, commercials and even credit card offers.

At this point, we really need to give our government notice once again, because they didn't get the message last time. We will fire you if you don't do your job.

Any employer would have fired most of them after the first month for wasting paper, time and money spewing nonsense at photo ops and generally outraging his customer base.

We must be outraged and as we can see, letters and words do not do enough. If we have to get off of our duffs, they do to. And when they all whine about this or that. Cut their benefits in half, decrease their pay and by all means tell them that campaigns should only last 3 weeks for the primaries and 6 weeks for the general elections.

All monies raised for campaigns that are not used will go directly to the deficit. Any document presented as law will automatically go into the shredder if it exceeds 200 pages. Make one law, leave the rest alone.

It is like everyone is putting yeast in the bread dough to make it rise. Well sooner or later, that bread dough will either collapse or take over the kitchen, like the Lucy Show.

No campaign ads will be allowed, instead, there will be televised debates with some hard-hitting questions and town hall meetings.

No perks whatsoever unless a celebrity or tycoon sponsors you throughout your term.

If the common man knows that digging a ditch takes a shovel or sweeping a porch requires a broom, why would we need 50 shovels for one person or 50 brooms?

Greed is like dodder. it starts out kinda pretty and then takes over the weeds and the flowers alike.

-- Posted by KH Gal on Fri, Jun 3, 2011, at 9:18 PM
YES.......we see the food stamp fraud every day every body here has talked about it.A couple of things the guy who won the money should have been removed from the roles.You cant tell me the office that enrolled him didnt know because he had to file with the IRS to collect.The irs is slow with there computers but that should have been caught.HE.....SHOULD HAVE REMOVED HIMSELF.On his behalf he has done some very charitable things but that is no exscuse.WE see fraud every day what do you do about it????? I have asked questions about it and the system needs to be revamped and can be.It has been but there are still holes.It deals with what is considered stables etc and the amount of coding in the computers.Good old greed gets in there too.More coding the less the stores sell.the less the reimbursement. catch 22.

THE CARTOON THING.....ZOOK IN MY OPINION YOU ARE RIGHT......it is not about politically correct

it is about being bigoted from a racial stand point.The point is the receipt should have been the focus which was negated with the cartoon. I might add that that could be directed at WHITES but the POLITICALLY CORRECT people DONT.there are MORE WHITES on food stamps than minoritys,but being poltically correct we never state that,it is like every charity out there puts a minority face on themselfes in advertisment why????????????? it doesnt help the discourse,but it is politically correct.IN SOMEBODYS MIND

The rational of defending those kind of things as a JOKE is OFFENSIVE, and one of the reasons that some people dont see the right as unbiased and therefore not somthing they want to be around.

now someone is going to say GET USE TO IT.......NO we will not........you want to make a joke fine the joke does not have to be racial.When it goes there it demonstrates and unwillingness to accept people as people and as equals.

zook MADE A POINT THAT PROBALLY WASNT NOTICED BY MOST......he said i saw the cartoon before the receipt.....someone else might have been tainted the moment they saw that,,,,,,one way or the other.

NOW for a little human stuff....my wife is from alabama ,she is white, she likes food from that part of our countrys culture that i dont like.THE STEREO TYPING IN ITSELF IS GARBAGE.and if you think all whites eat this and all blackes eat that or all hispanics eat somthing else you are dead wrong.WE ARE ALL HUMAN AND WE EAT WHAT MAKES US FEEL GOOD PERIOD.........IF KFC WAITED JUST FOR BLACKS TO SUPPORT THEM THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN OUT OF BUSNESS YEARS AGO..........SEE YA

-- Posted by lamont on Sun, Jun 5, 2011, at 12:06 PM
It was probably a young person that doesn't know how to budget. Spend all his food stamps for the month on Lobster and Steak. Maybe now he knows not to do that again...

I remember the Bazooka Gum

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Sun, Jun 5, 2011, at 1:42 PM
One think for sure Zook no one will ever say your a humanitarian..

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Sun, Jun 5, 2011, at 5:33 PM
I missed the cartoon, didn't even see it.

And Zook my remark about humanitarian was not about money or taxes, it was about within ourselves....

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Sun, Jun 5, 2011, at 8:59 PM
Well homer we can say what if or maybe, but we will never know unless we know the person. So I will assume which I hate doing that this person was not a very smart person if he used the food stamps foolishly and I will also assume that they learned their lesson when they realized it was a stupid thing to do. I happen to know people on food stamps and they use them wisely and appreciate having them.

If it was a person taking advantage of our country's generosity well then I hope he or she was caught and had to pay back the money it cost for those food stamps and then that will be another lesson learned.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Sun, Jun 5, 2011, at 9:39 PM
HOMMER.......your scenerios are not bad and they could ring truthfully except they come off like you are saying everyone on food stamps are doing these things or something like it.The broad brush thing again.how about 10-20% might be doing what you say.that would be 10-20% to many i agree.how about we quantifie it and then point fingers.To attempt to make everyone on food stamps out to be criminals is flat out wrong.

To accuse and organization that was FRAMED of teaching people to defraud the government again is out of place to say the least ,but do as you wish we all know what happened with acorn dont have to go into it.

Speaking of coupon classes my daughter teaches them also...worthy attempt......have you tried to get a sunday paper lately that has coupons?????people are stealing peoples sunday papers,that should tell you something about EVERYONE.

WELFARE DOESNT NEED ANY HELP KEEPING PEOPLE, the system makes sure they stay.You dont believe that,,,,,i suggest you ck out how that is done it would surprise you.THE SYSTEM ENCOURAGES IT'S USE and it will help you get there.It is harder to get out than get in.

OFFENSIVE CARTOONS of PRES BUSH..... i was not on this blog when that went on.So i will say this as far as i am concerned any offensive cartoon of a PRESIDENT IS OFFENSIVE AND DISRESPECTFULL TO OUR COUNTRY.......WHEN ANY CARTOON GOES A STEP FARTHER AND BECOMES ETHENIC,RACIAL,GENDER CENTRIC IT IS WRONG.FOR me that is it, and i will say something.If you condone it you are as guilty as the person who intiated it.It is indigative of an attitude.Think about this, if they are talking about someone like that in FRONT of you what are they saying about YOU when YOU are NOT THERE.

AND HOMMER... you took MS M. literally and that was not how it was meant !!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by lamont on Sun, Jun 5, 2011, at 10:28 PM
HOMMER I AM NOT ARGUING WITH YOU...........i agreed with you or did you not see that and sorry it dose sound like you are painting with a braod brush.

Not going to argue the merits of acorn and the doctored tapes.WHICH THE AUTHOR ADMITTED HE DID.

I DID NOT GLOSS OVER THE MEANING OF A SINGLE RECEIPT.BELIEVE ME I SEE THE FRAUD EVERY DAY AND I HAVE STATED VERY CLEARLY HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT.WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO DENERGRATE SOMEONE IN PARTICULAR?????????

HOW DID ISLAMIST GET IN THIS ????????? and wether you like it or not those type of cartoons are offensive, and for the record you used the word pinhead once, go back read what you said. YOU ARE JUST LOOKING FOR A FIGHT. NO PEOPLE ARE NOT LEARNING LESSONS. BELIEVE it or not i could argue the islamist side,that is how I can pretty much understand there actions.THAT DOESNT MEAN I CONDONE OR DEFEND THEM BUT I DO UNDERSTAND HOW THEY MIGHT FEEL,AND THINK.A GOOD SOLDIER UNDERSTANDS HIS ENEMY,GOT IT?????? I didnt make and assumptiuon i know what she meant.

Whats fuuny HOMMER IS YOU COMMING UNGLUED EVERYTIME SOMEONE SAYS SOMTHING yOU FEEL IS UNCONTESTABLE THAT IS WHAT IS FUNNY !!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by lamont on Sun, Jun 5, 2011, at 11:54 PM
If there has been $100 million in food stamp fraud since 2007 I would ask are we working on getting this fixed? I wouldn't want to do away with the program because there are legit people out there that need it. It should be there for when the need does come up.

Some people will always find ways to deceive they are part of our country, they live among us. We need to tighten up the program and find away to help those that need help and stop the criminals from defrauding the Government. Not sure if they have their picture on the food stamp cards, if not that could be one way to do it....

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Mon, Jun 6, 2011, at 8:24 AM
MS M a picture is a good idea.and again i think if the cash registers were programed to sort basics more stringently that would help enormously. ALSO individual cards could be audited from time to time and that publicised so that recpients knew they could get audited.You wouldnt need more people to do it. Program the computers and they could flag the person.

I KNOW WHAT I SEE RIGHT HERE,JUST GO TO JACKSONS OR MAVERICK AND YOU WILL SEE IT EVERY DAY.

-- Posted by lamont on Mon, Jun 6, 2011, at 10:02 AM
Another thing when issuing food stamps those receiving them should have to attend a class on how to budget. You hand some people food stamps they have no clue on how to make them stretch for a whole month.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Mon, Jun 6, 2011, at 3:31 PM
I wouldn't doubt that a bit...........

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Mon, Jun 6, 2011, at 3:59 PM
HOMMER LIKE I SAID I DID NOT DISAGREE I SIMPLY SAID HOW I SAW IT COMMING ACROSS.And for someone who twist words you should not point fingers,and HOMMER GET OFF THE EMOTIONAL GARBAGE I AM NOT EMOTIONAL ABOUT YOU OR ANYONE ELSE.iF I WERE I WOULD HAVE SAID SOME THINGS THAT WOULD ONLY BE PRINTED ONCE HERE,so if you take the capitals as emotion that is up to you.

i dont need a defense to point out another view and any who doNT recieve it as another view, that is there problem or how they might feel.lets not forget IT WAS PEOPLE WHO COMMITTED 9/11 THERE RELIGION HAPPENED TO BE MUSLIM.And that could apply to any set of ZEALOTS.MUSLIMS ARE NOT OUR ENEMIES....AL QUIDA IS.CHRISTIANITY WAS NOT MY ENEMY THE KKK WAS. It is one in the same.

You dont say a lot of things HOMMER YOU imply them...OLD game been around for years....then you can say i didnt.EVRYTHGING you say is not factual and were some of those so called facts come from are questionable like any other fact.The source comes into play.

you just want to fight with anyone who doesnt go along with your views, i dont.I can repect them I JUST DONT HAVE TO AGREE WITH THEM NOR WILL I SEE THEM THE WAY YOU DO.but you cant seem to do the same with anyone YOU consider,or deem unworthy.

i have no need to call you out except when you throw insults out there.NO ONE HERE needs to be addressed with and insult before and after a statment NO ONE.THAT is common DECENCY.

One last thing dont tell me about if IF I WERE YOU.....YOUR NOT ME.......AND I KNOW YOU COULDNT BE ME.......YOUR THREAT S DONT CHANGE DO THEY.????

-- Posted by lamont on Tue, Jun 7, 2011, at 11:09 AM
The comparison does wash HOMMER......THE KKK ACTED IN THE NAME OF CHRISTANITY AND THERE IS NO DENYING THAT.SO there religion absolutly played a part in there activities,and they are fanatics????? are you defending them HOMMER ??????.my antagonistic style pales in comparison to yours Hommer i dont call people names and then start a conversation......i can but i dont.you do. ANY HOW my statment stands,the fraud waste and abuse of food stamps is by a few and i see no reason to penalize the needy, go after the people not doing there jobs and the people who are comitting the fraud.Program the computers to catch those kinds of sales and hold people responsable.COMPREHENSIVE reviews of need should be done EVERY 60-90 DAYS and stop the blanket application of qualifying.ALL that plus, would help to change the outcome.

-- Posted by lamont on Tue, Jun 7, 2011, at 1:36 PM
Speaking of the KKK Has there been an attitude adjustment?

http://blogs.findlaw.com/legally_weird/2011/06/kkk-protests-westboro-baptist-chu...

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Tue, Jun 7, 2011, at 2:50 PM
THERE ARE TAPES AND VIDEOS OF THE KLAN STATING IN THE NAME OF CHRISTIANITY.COME ON IT WAS REAL.

And hommer i did not accuse you of anything. I ASKED A QUESTION.ALL you had to say was YES or NO.so who twisted what????

i could care less about the KKK BUT TO GIVE THEM A PASS AS NOT INVOKING RELIGION IN WHAT THEY EXPOUND,AND THERE ACTIONS IS JUST NOT TRUE.AGAIN people committed 9/11 not a religion.THE PEOPLE ACTED IN THE NAME OF SAID RELIGION,THAT IS THE SAME. AS you said HOMMER Those people were not a church.neither were the terrorist.

NOW THE TERRORIST THAT ARE ACTING ARE MUSLIMS THERE RELIGIOUS COMMONALITY IS NOT IN QUESTION....AND LIKE ANY OTHER ZEALOT, THERE RELIGION IS THERE PROFESSED MOTIVATOR,IMMANS,PRIESTS,PASTORS,RABBI'S THERE ALL THE SAME

but to characterize the entire religion is wrong even the POPE said that.

POLITICALLY CORRECT BRAINWASHING.....I guess that terminalogy is used to allow an albi for the mistreatment of people who are not like us.LIKE I SAID ON ZOOK'S BLOG TITLED ( i hope we are better than this) THE LACK OF COMMENTS WERE DEAFENING.

-- Posted by lamont on Tue, Jun 7, 2011, at 4:04 PM
HOMMER WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE I DID NOT SAY THEY CODONED ANYTHING ....I SAID THEY ACTED IN THE NAME OF.....THAT IS ALL. AND hOMMER THERE WERE CHURCHES THAT CONDONED AND EVEN ENCOURAGED WHAT THE KLAN DID YEARS AGO.ONE way that the klan was battled was to take away those churches taxe exempt status.OUT OF YOUR MOUTH hommer certain sects,sharia countries,THAT IS NOT ALL MUSLIMS.

-- Posted by lamont on Tue, Jun 7, 2011, at 5:02 PM
Not sure if this is what your looking for...

http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/anti-hate/kkk.html

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Tue, Jun 7, 2011, at 6:29 PM
I didnt say anything about today HOMMER PLEASE DONT CHANGE THE GAME IN MIDSTREAM.....NO CHURCH THAT WANTS TO BE A CHURCH IS GOING TO OPENLY SUPPORT THE KKK.nOW YOUR RIGHT....... FANATIC ISLAM......THAT IS A GROUP WITHIN ITSELF,TO INCLUDE THERE MOSQUES.....NO ARGUMENT THERE....That is why i say you cannot condem and entire religion....Kinda like condemming the father for the sins of the child.

MS M post says enough.....remember I SAID ACTING IN THE NAME OF.and that is were the discussion is......acting in the name of........fill in the blank,........christianity,islam,judism,buddha etcI WANT TO SAY WE ARE ALSO TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THOSE HAVING RADICAL ELEMENTS EVERY ONE OF THEM.THAT IS MY POINT........MS M THANKYOU THAT WAS CLOSE ENOUGH.

-- Posted by lamont on Tue, Jun 7, 2011, at 6:55 PM
I'm Multi tasking trying to do more then one thing in a small time frame

Heres something else I found and like before not sure if this is what your looking for. You have to scroll down a bit ..........There's a couple churches

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/paragould-ar/TR9N6PEG39198P5C0

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Tue, Jun 7, 2011, at 7:02 PM
Ok I will leave this search up to you 2 guys. I really don't have time for it, but it did peak my curiosity.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Tue, Jun 7, 2011, at 8:52 PM
NOT back tracking........this is rehtorical and i really am not going to play this game you have your stand i have mine,Those that fraud should go to jail.FANATICS SHOULD BE WATCHED FOR ACTIONS. ALL FANATICS.

YOU DONT WANT TO ACCEPT WE ARE BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING ..... WHATEVER.

I WILL NEVER CONDEM A PEOPLES OR ANYTHING BASED ON THE ACTIONS OF A FEW........THATS ME... WHAT YOU DO IS YOUR BUSINESS AS LONG AS IT DOESNT IMPACT ME OR OTHERS.........HAVE A GREAT DAY

-- Posted by lamont on Tue, Jun 7, 2011, at 9:30 PM
I DONT THINK ANYONE CONTESTED THE RECEIPT I KNOW I DIDNT.....thanks for the update...we have people doing the same thing here, food stamps are traded for money ,cigarettes etc .they are used as a subcultured currency all over this country.

The idea for the food stamps is sound the adminisration is negligent at best.......The thing that bothers me is it doesnt have to be that way.and it would not take a lot to fix it and save millions.

For every person that defrauds the program someone who really needs goes without.....that is the crime and i for one am glad the person is going to jail, although they will get 3 hots and a cot there at our exspence.....cant win for losing

-- Posted by lamont on Thu, Jun 9, 2011, at 11:13 AM
Homer yes I see that. I always try to give the benefit of the doubt before my ranting :)

Like I said before a face picture might work for those that are issued a food stamp card.

-- Posted by MsMarylin on Thu, Jun 9, 2011, at 6:22 PM

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